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TLRam1
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« on: February 18, 2008, 04:34:44 PM »

This a compilation of information pulled from experienced riders, such as yourself, from this forum. In no way is the owner of the forum responsible for what you do to customize your bike.

With that out of the way come on in, relax, stay a while, join the group who compiled this and we will have a cup of coffee waiting for you at our next meet or wrench session.  




Top-popular Mods & Accs.

 1. Seat- comfort & looks
  
 2. Windshield- in town and below 60mph you may not want one.

 3. Risers- Pulls the handle bars back for a more relaxed position

 4. Saddlebags- for your junk in the trunk. (Leatherlykes- also works as a cooler for your favorite
beverage)

 5. Pipes- but of course! For the sound your craving (isn't that why your doing it).

 6. Progressive Springs- reduce nose dive.

 7. Dave Dodge shim kit- eliminates the midrange lull and performs better when you install pipes and K & N air filter

With the above mods you will have a Sweet all around bike whether for touring, daily rider, or weekend jolts! Now go out and ride!



Alternator Output

1.   .374 KW = 374 Watts = 31.16 amps



Brakes

 a. Stock (yeah, we know) are bad.  LOL

 b. EBC-Kevlar

 c. EBC- Double H sintered- grippier but supposely wear your rotor down faster. How much faster, don't know.  Is the trade-off worth it, IMO Yes, unless someone has a different opinion.

 d. Other brands




Brake Stay Rod

 Cycle-istic

 Allows for a fatter rear tire! Yeah baby!

Use with any stock tire (for looks only) or any oversize tire up to and including the Metzeler 170/80-15, which is the largest tire that will fit on the stock rim.

 http://www.cycle-istic.com/


Carb Tool

 D-Shape
 
 http://motionpro.com/motorcycle/partno/08-0242 - Fits 1/4" socket

 http://motionpro.com/motorcycle/tools/view/90_degree_1_4__hex_driver/ - Driver for the bit above.

 Mac Tool
  Greg's comment - best is the bit (Mac Tools) that fits the 90° carb tool with out the tool.

 Dave Dodge - D Shape tool. Inexpensive, FYI - comes with jet kit



Car Tires


155 / 80 / 15

BF Goodrich T/A Radial  $ 89.00 Delivered

155/80 R15

RWL = Raised White Letters

Speed rating – S (112)

Treadwear   400 / Traction  A / Temperature  B





Vredestein Sprint Classic (Holland)  $ 95.00 Delivered

155 / 80 / 15

Speed Rating S (112)

Treadwear 160 / Traction  A / Temperature  B




165 / 80 / 15


Nexen SB802 (South Korea)  $65.00 Delivered

165/80 R15

Speed Rating T (118)

Treadwear  320 / Traction  A / Temperture   B




Nankang CX668 (Taiwan)  $66.00 Delivered

165/80 R15

Speed Rating T (118)

Treadwear  400 / Traction A / Temperature B




Kumho Power Star 758
(Korea)  $77.00 Delivered

165/80 R15

Speed Rating T (118)

Treadwear    400 / Traction   A / Temperature   B





Federal SS-657 (Asia)  $65.00 Delivered
 
165/80 R15

Speed Rating T

Treadwear  420 / Traction  A / Temperature  A





Vredestein Sprint Classic (Holland)  $129.00 Delivered

165 / 80 / 15

Speed rating H

Treadwear  220 / Traction  A / Temperature  B



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Websites

http://www.tires-easy.com/

http://www.vredesteintire.com/

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Notes,

Twenty dollars is added to the above delivered prices.

FYI – In theory Treadwear is rated at how long a tire will wear compared to a tire with 100 treadwear rating. I don’t know if independent agencies test this and not read of any. Inform with facts and I will edit this.

Normally your All Season tires will give you the most mileage and has the higher Treadwear rating. Your High Performance sport tires will have a shorter mileage lifespan with a lower Treadwear rating. As for as I know this is subjective depending on the mfg.  

Speed rating – After much reading and some info from people who worked or are still working at a mfg. A tire has to withstand a certain speed for 10 minutes with a substantial amount of pressure applied. Tires are tested to a certain speed rating because that is what’s needed not necessarily that the tire could not handle more but for the cars this tire fits it needs to test out at XX speed, stop test, that’s all we need, all tires are not tested until they fail.
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If I were to guess and from what little I have researched on the tires.

These are probably a mid-grade tire;

Nexan

NanKang

Kumho

Federal
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I would say this is an “above mid grade” tire;

BF Goodrich

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These I have no info other than what others has said who have used these tires in their country and a couple of other testimonies I have read but failed to save.

Below are unedited quotes from All who responded. Based on this I would say in general some of Vredestien tires are a notch above BF Goodrich. This tire in particular, I don't know.  

Vredestein

My Question;

Looking for various sizes of tires I ran across this brand the other day (Vredestein), wondering if anyone has heard of this brand of tire made in Holland. Are they any good, as in low line, mid, or considered one of the better tires?

Answers;

In the late 80s early 90s I raced cars on ice I used these tires, awesome traction great tire I liked them. Jimmy

I had them on my Saab back in the 90's in England and they were great. If you can find them in the US, get a set.

Their product line includes bicycle tires, which are considered to be in the "one of the better" category.


Don’t take any grading personally, we are talking tires!



Chain Guard

 Cycle-istic

 Styling! Bling Blink

 http://www.cycle-istic.com/



Centerstand

Cycle-istic
 
 a. Reduced clearance - no

 b. Added extra weight- minimal 6 lbs, weight is down low.

 c. Ease of use- Somewhat difficult but worth it.

 d. Benefits- Oiling chain, servicing rear wheel, storing in less space in garage.
 
 e. http://www.cycle-istic.com/
 




Chains and Sprockets

 Chain size - 530
 
 Length ---- 118 links (you can buy the 120 link and cut it down - take links out)

 Type- O-Ring is stock design
           X Ring is the new design- suppose to contain oil longer w/less maintenance (marketing?-maybe,               maybe not)

Brands

 a. DID

 b. RK  

 c. EK

 d. a & b are the most widely used/popular



Clutch

 Barnett - Aftermarket, Kevlar plates. Springs are 12-15 % stronger than stock.



Cross Reference Charts

  a. Air Filters - Link

  b. Coolant Hoses - Link

  c. Oil Filters Cross Reference - http://www.calsci.com/motorcycleinfo/FilterXRef.html

  d. Radiator, Thermostat & Fanstat Switch - Link





Dave Dodge Contact Info

Jet Kit with Shims or Shims among other hard items

928 387-1206




Forward Controls

 Mapam
 
 Jardine




Front Fork Seals

 a. Rear doesn't have any. (grinning)

 b. If you see an oily substance (haha, lucky you!), replace them and here's how. (I need the Link)

 c. Measured from the top of the fork down to the oil. Progressive has less oil due to their springs taking up a larger volume of space.

  Stock oil level 122mm

  W/Progressive springs  140mm

 
 d. If need help, ask and or look for an upcoming wrench session, than attend and you will get more advice and less help from everyone!

Really, just come!



Headlight Mod Part Numbers

  VTX

  Headlight unit - 33120-mch-671 x 1
  Rubber cover - 33180-mr7-003 x 1
  Headlight case - 61301-mch-670 x 1
  Headlight rim - 61302-mch-670 x 1
  Headlight stay  - 61312-MEA-670 x 1
  Special screw (5mm) - 90104-kz3-b00 x 2
  Screw (5x9.5) - 90380-ge2-760 x 3
  Screw tap (4X12) 93903-24380 x 2
  Magna VTX Bracket - Contact Silveradocowboy on this forum.


Idle Settings

1994-2003

49 state  - 1000 +/- 100      

Cali model - 1100 +/- 100



Indicator lights Replacement – Neutral, High Beam, Turnsignal

The speedo and tach require you to remove housings before getting at the bulbs.  The three indicator lights on the triple tree only require small fingers or needle nose pliers.  Just pull the black rubber thing straight down and it will release.  The bulb can then be popped out of the rubber housing.  When putting it back, be sure you get it all the way in... you should feel a slight snap or pop when it is seated completely.

The bulbs are a "Blade" style bulb rated at 12V3W.






Jet's Cross Reference

Side Note - I don't know how accurate this is.

Width------Keihin # -- DynoJet # -- Mikuni #
0,0350---- 92,5--------- 92----------- 86,3
0,0360---- 95----------- 94----------- 88,1
0,0370---- 97,5--------- 96----------- 90,0
0,0380---- 100---------- 98----------- 91,9
0,0390---- 102,5------- 100---------- 93,8
0,0400---- 105--------- 102---------- 95,6
0,0410---- 107,5------- 104---------- 97,5
0,0420---- 110--------- 106---------- 99,4
0,0430---- 112,5------- 108--------- 101,3
0,0440---- 115--------- 110--------- 103,1
0,0450---- 117,5------- 112--------- 105,0
0,0460---- 120--------- 114--------- 106,9
0,0470---- 122,5------- 116--------- 108,8
0,0480---- 125--------- 118--------- 110,6
0,0490---- 127,5------- 120--------- 112,5
0,0500---- 130--------- 122--------- 114,4
0,0510---- 132,5------- 124--------- 116,3
0,0520---- 135--------- 126--------- 118,1
0,0530---- 137,5------- 128--------- 120,0
0,0540---- 140--------- 130--------- 121,9
0,0550---- 142,5------- 132--------- 123,8
0,0560---- 145--------- 134--------- 125,6
0,0570---- 147,5------- 136--------- 127,5
0,0580---- 150--------- 138--------- 129,4
0,0590---- 152,5------- 140--------- 131,3
0,0600---- 155--------- 142--------- 133,1
0,0610---- 157,5------- 144--------- 135,0
0,0620---- 160--------- 146--------- 136,9
0,0630---- 162,5------- 148--------- 138,8
0,0640---- 165--------- 150--------- 140,6
0,0650---- 167,5------- 152--------- 142,5
0,0660---- 170--------- 154--------- 144,4
0,0670---- 172,5------- 156--------- 146,3
0,0680---- 175--------- 158--------- 148,1
0,0690---- 177,5------- 160--------- 150,0
0,0700---- 180--------- 162--------- 151,9
0,0710---- 182,5------- 164--------- 153,8
0,0720---- 185--------- 166--------- 155,6
0,0730---- 187,5------- 168--------- 157,5
0,0740---- 190--------- 170--------- 159,4
0,0750---- 192,5------- 172--------- 161,3
0,0760---- 195--------- 174--------- 163,1
0,0770---- 197,5------- 176--------- 165,0
0,0780---- 200--------- 178--------- 166,9
0,0790---- 202,5------- 180--------- 168,8
0,0800---- 205--------- 182--------- 170,6
0,0810---- 207,5------- 184--------- 172,5
0,0820---- 210--------- 186--------- 174,4
0,0830---- 212,5------- 188--------- 176,3
0,0840---- 215--------- 190--------- 178,1
0,0850---- 217,5------- 192--------- 180,0
0,0860---- 220--------- 194--------- 181,9
0,0870---- 222,5------- 196--------- 183,7
0,0880---- 225--------- 198--------- 185,6
0,0890---- 227,5------- 200--------- 187,5


LED's

With LEDs you will need an electronic flasher or load equalizer for proper blinks per minute.

http://www.customdynamics.com/motorcycle_led_bulbs.htm

http://superbrightleds.com/tail-brake-turn.html

http://www.lightlens.com/coloredbulbs.htm?gclid=COmL9qWqkIsCFRglUAodQRf0Sg

http://www.customled.com/PRODUCTS/products.htm

This item fixed the flash issue and it will work on our 3 wire system, direct plug in, no wire cutting.

ELFR-1 Electronic Flasher Relay

http://www.customled.com/PRODUCTS/FLASHER_RELAY/flasher_relay.htm#elfr1




Magna Owners of Texas – MOOT

Main Page of MOOT.

http://www.magnaownersoftexas.org/main.htm




Manuals - Service

Magna 3rd Generation - http://modernmusclecars.net/evilone/Magna-Service-Manual.pdf

http://www.magnarider.com/manual.pdf (has not worked as of late)

Large file - dial-up users beware. I will burn you a CD if you send me an email.

Various other Magna Manuals, Schematics, Parts Fiches, from 82-on; V45 and V65

http://thepit.shacknet.nu/honda/




MOOT Emergency Support

Password Require - MOOT Members Only (When you need this, it's too late, join now)

http://www.magnaownersoftexas.org/gate.htm





Oils and Filters

a. Motorcycle Oil - http://vfrworld.com/tex_vfr/tech/oil.htm

b. Consumer Reports oil testing http://smokeriders.com/surprising_truth.htm

c. Motorcycle Oil Filters - http://www.tobycreek.org/oil_filters/index.shtml

d. Mopar site but good info on oil filters - http://www.knizefamily.net/minimopar/oilfilters/index.html

e. Generic testing on air filters - http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/airfilter/airtest3.htm

f. Oil Filter Cross Reference - http://www.calsci.com/motorcycleinfo/FilterXRef.html





Pipes

  First 3 would be the most popular choices

 a. Vance & Hines- Nicely finished, good chrome, pleasant throaty sound

 b. Cobra- nice pipes, welds a little less finished the V&H, sound not as throaty as V&H, decent chrome, not as durable as V & H.

 c. Modify your stock pipes- http://www.magnaownersoftexas.com/tips.htm#A1.3

 d. Hard Chrome

 e. SuperTrapps- decent chrome, diffusion discs allow tuneability

 f. Jardine drag pipes- decent chrome, LOUD





Principles of Counter Steering/ Cornering

a. Counter Steering - a motorcycle technique http://www.motorvike.com/MotoChat_Counter_Steering.htm

b. Understand Counter Steering - http://www.msgroup.org/Tip.aspx?Num=048

c. Steer Clear of Trouble - http://www.motorcyclecruiser.com/streetsurvival/steering_skills/index.html
 




Progressive Spring  

Spacer pipe cut from 1" PVC thick wall pipe
 
a. Stock Spacer Length 5.12 inches
      
b. Aggressive progressive spacer length 5.35 inches (I did mine at 5.50" and love it)
          
Foot Note - longer the spacer the more preload on your springs - stiffer the front end - less dive

 How to - http://www.magnaownersoftexas.org/tips.htm - A1.13




Risers

 a. Cycle-istic- Magna specific, strong supporters of Magnas, good looking risers, polished Bullitt finish.

 b. Aeromach- Magna specific, nice chrome finish, work well

 c. Shadow 750- inexpensive alternate




Saddlebags

 a. Leatherlyke- Magna specific, lockable, good water seal, easy on/off, looks good (not as good looking as real leather bags).

 b. Real leather- Looks,(doesn't get any better than leather), somewhat poor water seals, normally not lockable, look for quick disconnect closure, can be more difficult on/off bike, probably need bag support brackets.

 c. Leatherneck Jims http://www.leatherneckjim.com/?200




Seats

Most like/buy;

1. Mustang -  Most comfortable and looks, a must for 2 up

2. Corbin - Sportier looks and somewhat comfort (though less than the Mustang)

3. Saddleman – Looks and comfort (no comments from the forum)                                                                                  
                        Explorer, Explorer Special, Double Bucket Touring
                        
                        http://www.saddlemen.com/metric/metric.html






Spark Plug Chart

Match your plugs up to the chart to tell if you are running Lean, Hot, or just right.

http://www.dansmc.com/Spark_Plugs/Spark_Plugs_catalog.html

http://www.verrill.com/moto/sellingguide/sparkplugs/plugcolorchart.htm



Tips & Tricks

Good useful site with help answers and “How To Mods”

This is a Must Visit site.

http://www.magnaownersoftexas.org/tips.htm




Tires

1. Dunlop- Stock tire. attributes, holds the road well (sticky), mileage Rear -6000 Front- 12-14,000

2. Metzlers- less sticky (in stock size as it is narrower) but with longer mileage, should work for most people, mileage; Rear-8000 Front- ?




Torque Specs.

Torque Specs - (click the page for enlarged image, and keep clicking)

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Windshields

 a. Memphis- most popular all around good shield for the money, acrylic

 b. National Cycle- Better optics, tougher protective coating, Lexan-polycarbonate

 c. Slip Streamer - Various models available from handle bar only mount to larger cruiser styles
 
 d. Other Brands?




If links are inoperable let us know so we may correct the issues, thanks for the heads up!

Have supporting info to counter what is here? Email and we will decide to add, change, or keep what is here the same.

Though not often, periodic updates will be made as needed.
« Last Edit: July 22, 2010, 07:24:57 PM by TLRam1 » Logged

Terry

Maybe poker's not your game, Ike. I know! Let's have a spelling contest.

Allen, TX.

74 GT750 - 75 GT380 – 01 & 97 Magna - 03 KX 250-01 – 01 WR 250 – 04 WR 450 - 74 T500 Titan –03 T
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« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2009, 10:39:18 AM »

http://modernmusclecars.net/evilone/Magna-Service-Manual.pdf


Terry, I cannot get the service manual you have posted in this faq to come up when I click on it.  However, I can this one.   Didn't know if anyone else is having this problem.
Let me know if you want me to delete this post and I will.
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LANCE JOHNSON

1998 HONDA VFR 800FI (FORMALLY 2001 HONDA MAGNA)
LOWELL ARKANSAS        MOOT# 659


Me, my uncle, and my brother somewhere on the Talimena ride during Mootmag 6.
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