2000 Magna - carb removal

[hootmon]

Anybody know where I can get a Carb kit that would include the little o-rings and flat washers for the Pilots??
IF I could find a pilot kit with all the components I'd probably go that direction since I have some messed up "D"s

[Lurkin]

Just your favorite on-line Honda parts house.  I had to replace one needle a couple years ago as the metal "ring" around the D-head had gotten un-rounded and the D-socket wouldn't bite on it after it was lightly seated.  Ended up having to drill the needle head and EZ-out it.  If I recall correctly, the spring, washer, and o-ring came with it.

BTW, I dremelled a slot into the needle head such that a standard screwdriver head could be used to turn it.  Also left the D shape intact so that I can adjust the needles with either the D-socket or a standard screw bit.

As for the carbon, might try to rig up something to draw Seafoam into the running engine, like you would do for a car engine.  Not sure where the best vacuum port for that would be,,, since the engine doesn't want to run without the airbox attached, i.e., can't pour it into the carb throats.  Maybe the carb sync port(s).....  Drill a hole into the carb boots 

[LIMagna]

It looks like the pilot screw set contains all the parts you need. It's listed as part # 16016-MAS-670 online.  The o-ring is also part of Gasket Set A, which includes many similar parts including the o-rings on the float bowl drain screws and the float bowl gaskets.  The screw sets appear to be considerably cheaper though so unless you also need to replace the float bowl gaskets, it's probably not the way to go. 

[hootmon]

It looks like the pilot screw set contains all the parts you need. It's listed as part # 16016-MAS-670 online.  The o-ring is also part of Gasket Set A, which includes many similar parts including the o-rings on the float bowl drain screws and the float bowl gaskets.  The screw sets appear to be considerably cheaper though so unless you also need to replace the float bowl gaskets, it's probably not the way to go. 

Thanx for the info... But I have a question...

IF I'm looking at this correctly (and I may not be) it looks like the kit comes with everything but the o-ring, it looks like you have to buy the gasket kit to get that part..

Please tell me that I'm wrong!!! So I'd have to buy
4 - 16016-MAS-670 Pilot Screw Set
AND
4 - 16010-MW0-600 - Gasket set A

Correct??

[LIMagna]

I would think that the o-ring comes with both kits but I think it best to check with a parts dealer to confirm that.  The online image shows a box around the whole thing (o-ring included) for the screw set and then calls out the o-ring as being part of Gasket Set A.  I would think the box would not include that part if it were only available as part of the gasket set.  Of course, I could be wrong. 

[Lurkin]

I believe, as I said above, that the o-ring comes with the needle set.  Unfortunately, with my memory I cannot give you a 100%, but if it were my bike, I would only be ordering the needle part number, not the gasket set.  Not sure if that means anything, but it is what it is.

You've been running without 'em for quite some time, so worst case, if you order just the needles, and then they don't come with the o-rings, you're just out another 1.5-2 weeks waiting for the gasket set.  But you're still riding regardless!

Wonder if a hardware store nearby might have an o-ring small enough to be used?  You should be able to shut off the gas, drain the bowl, and pull the one o-ring you have to see if you can find a comparable.  Just an idea...

Might also call/stop by a cycle shop or two to see if they have any that can be used.

[LIMagna]

Just a thought ... but are you certain the o-rings didn't just stick inside the holes?  I think I read somewhere that if you remove the mixture screws you need to check to make sure the o-ring comes out with them. 

[TLRam1]

Just a thought ... but are you certain the o-rings didn't just stick inside the holes?  I think I read somewhere that if you remove the mixture screws you need to check to make sure the o-ring comes out with them. 

That can happen and has with me on other bikes, don't forget you need the washer along with the O-Ring.

[Lurkin]

Just a thought ... but are you certain the o-rings didn't just stick inside the holes?  I think I read somewhere that if you remove the mixture screws you need to check to make sure the o-ring comes out with them. 

That can happen and has with me on other bikes, don't forget you need the washer along with the O-Ring.

Ahh yes, that has happened to me on the Magna.  Almost lost one, as they all stuck, then when I shot carb cleaner through that bore, it came shooting out.  Forgot about that, figured if you found one though, you checked the bores for the others too.

[hootmon]

I know I'm missing a washer on one and both on another.. Unsure about the other two carbs..

[TLRam1]

Hoot,

What size hole did you drill?

Enough with your carbs, are you ever going to answer this question? 

[hootmon]

Enough with your carbs, are you ever going to answer this question? 

5/16ths and it works great!!! I filled up today, and within a couple of squeezes I was full and done..

I drilled a pilot hole 1st..

I also put a couple of Strong Magnets in the tank to catch most of the shavings..

[TLRam1]

Enough with your carbs, are you ever going to answer this question? 

I also put a couple of Strong Magnets in the tank to catch most of the shavings..

Elaborate, how did you position the magnets? Did you empty the tank of all gas, rinse or what's your procedure?

[hootmon]

Elaborate, how did you position the magnets? Did you empty the tank of all gas, rinse or what's your procedure?

Man.. You are just full of questions...

Yes I emptied the tank of all the gas.. I did not rinse it, but I did use a fan to evacuate all the fumes.. I just used the nose test, When the fumes smell got light enough for my comfort, I went for it. I figured there was little chance of an actual spark being produced.

I have two 1"x2" bar magnets (approx) that are pretty strong.
I just took some long needle nose pliers and slipped them onto the bottom of the tank through the gas cap hole.

I felt around under the lip and found out where pieces of the maze were and selected my spot for one hole (my original plan was for two smaller holes).
I center punched
I drilled a pilot hole
I drilled the main hole ( I actually think the hole could be a little smaller, but I'm happy with the results so far)
I used Long nose pliers to remove the bar magnets
I used a telescoping magnet and wanded it around inside the tank as best as I could
I had taken the fuel pet cock and filter out, just to wash out the filter and note it's condition, and to get all the gas out. I re-inserted those back in the tank
Mounted the tank back on the bike - connecting the hoses and installing Allen screw
Filled with gas
Turned on the petcock
cranked engine to create vacuum on the shut off valve
updated the forum with pictures
Filled bike up - was happy with the result
answered question about hole size
Answered more questions about procedures..

I think that brings us pretty close to up to date..

[Lurkin]

What kind of drill did you use, and were you using a workbench?