Hello everyone!I'm new to the forum, and I have a question for the experts or anyone else that could help.I have in my garage a 1984 V65 with a little over 41000 on it.Its been in storage for over ten years and the owner has decided to sell it.After oil and filter change,removed carbs and cleaned them,new tires,and front signal stems the bike is ready to sell.It runs great except for a clatter or rattle behind the clutch cover.Its real noticeable cold,but when the bike gets warm you can barely hear it.I'm running 10-40 in it and thought a thicker oil might help.I don't just want to hide the noise and the new owner get stuck with a major problem.Could this be clutch rattle, or tensioners ,or something worse.Did not know if syncing the carbs would help like on the old SOHC 750's.If anyone is in the Lubbock,TX. area and could come take a look E-mail me.
Thanks,
Robert
If the bike had sat for that long of time the clutch spring squeezed the oil out of the friction plates more than likely, basically they are dry.
Is it motorcycle specific oil? Or automotive oil? Automotive oil's a lot of the time have friction modifiers in them and causes ugly things in a MC wet clutch system.
To tell the the truth I didn't check the oil.The owner brought it over with the bikes, I just put it in.Even though I've ridden the bike for two months now in the morning and at night just to warm it up, and then put it on the curb with a for sale sign by it.I know it needs to be taken out and ridden to blow the cobwebs out of it.I just didn't want to cause damage to the engine.The owner has another 84 V65 for me to work on that has sat up for over ten years.Just wanted to make sure I do a good job for him.He's making me a heck of a deal on a 1983 V65 with 13000 miles on it, thats been sittng in his garage for the 10 years also.I can't wait to get my hands on that thing!!!I've been waiting since 1986 for one of these things(that's when i took my first ride on one).
Thanks for the help!
I have heard a bad starter clutch rattle and make noise like a loose spring and timing chain. The starter clutch is very easy to change out if you have a spare one. I am not sure if the noise would go away when heated up.
It could also be in need of a valve adjustment. Are you sure the noise is from the clutch cover? If not valves will make noise and quiet down after warming up.
Syncing the carbs will help smooth the bike out. If it is out of sync it could make some noise.
Anthony
83 V65 Magna
Yeah,the noise is def the side cover i used the poor boy stethoscope method.Maybe the starter clutch is the reason the starter doesn't grab everytime.Thanks I'll pull out the manual and start studying up!
I checked on the oil the owner brought over and it is automotive oil with an SF rating and he said that would not cause the noise and that the oil would be fine.His bike his oil is the way I see it.So we'll see.
Thanks for the info!
Hi again I recently got the other 84 Magna running after 10 years of garage storage.The second one has the same right side engine noise but it is alot worse than the first one.It comes and goes.one minute it won't make the noise,pull the clutch lever and let it out and the noise appears!Then it will be making the noise pull the clutch lever and it goes away,let it out ,sometimes it stops sometimes it doesn't.Put it in gear there is no noise at all.
Has anyone else had this problem if so how did you fix it?Please help!
Thanks!
Robert
Symptoms suggest clutch basket..
In my experience SF automotive oil caused harsher shifts and more noise in my 96 Magna. I switched to MC specific NON synthetic oil and it helped but not as much as the SYNTHETIC MC specific oil has.
Personally for me, its synthetic MC specific oil in all my bikes.
I will talk to the owner again about the oil.I think the same way!He has an 83 V65 with 13000 miles that I'm getting out of this deal(that has also sat for 10 years!),and I asked him if I could get it running with the right oil and hopefully show him the difference it makes.He doesn't want to put anymore $$$ in them than he has to! Thanks for the info!
I agree with Greg... clutch basket.
I lost count...how many v65's total does he have in his garage? 8-)
There are 3 Magnas,two 84's and one 83.Three trail 90's,a 66,68 and a 69 model.One 1980 Kawasaki G-1 Classic. A 1973 Z-1 900 and a 1973 Hodaka Combat Wombat on the way.Thats why I'm trying so hard to get the two 84's running and sold for this one guy.I need some room for moe stuff.I found another guy who has a shed with around 30 plus bikes in it that have been sitting for years(thats where the Z-1 900 and the Hodaka are coming from).Mostly older 2-strokes,Yamaha and Kawasakis.A few Moto-Guzzi's.One or two CB550's.And a 64 or 66 SS El Camino and one dead cow.He is wanting to sell all of them(except the cow and the Super Sport!).If ya'll would like I'll post a list when we get back over there and sort through them if anyone is interested.
Thanks all!
Robert
Are all the Magna's V65s??
List hell; we want pic's of the whole lot. I'm interested in the old CB-550's, if they are early 70's models. Where are the bikes located? 8)
Shoot some photos of the 2-Strokes.
Yes the three magnas are V65's.I'm getting the 83 out of the first deal.When that one is done I can move on to this other one with all the bikes in the barn.So far I believe I'm getting a 1973 Z-1 900 and a 1973 Hodaka Combat Wombat!The Kawasaki is pretty rough,but restorable.I know there is a RD400 in pretty decent shape.The one CB550 I think may be a 69, but not 100% sure on anything yet.The old building doesn't have any lights in it, and we didn't have much time to look.I only have one picture so far and it isn't very good(taken with my phone).When we go back next week(I pray we go!)I'll take the camara.As soon as he figures out how he wants to go about this I will let ya'll know.I'm in Lubbock and they are 50 miles East of me.The owner is in hurry to get them moved because they are rolling out the door on thier own!!!The fully dressed V1000 Moto-Guzzi was on its side by the door when we got there the other day.And I know the dead cow didn't do it!I don't know how to post pics on here yet if you E-mail me I can send you the one pic I do have.
Thanks!
I just learned to post a pic myself thanks to these guys. If you can upload the pic to a PC go to tinypic.com and upload it free there. They will then give you a "message board" link to copy and paste into your message hear. Easy breazy. :)
Hey Thanks!My wife was trying to tell me how to do it, and I thought she learned a new language while I was out in the garage! LOL!I'll give it a shot tomorrow.
Back on the orginal reason for this post. Is it possible that it could be rocker arm/tappet noise? I am thinking if it had a lack of oil problem and wore down the cam lobes it would get the rockers out of adustment and start to tap/clatter. this would seem to go away under revs. My theory only.
That was a concern at first, but the noise is coming directly from the cover right where the clutch basket is.Both bikes have the exact same noise from the exact place.One just a little louder than the other.The bike that makes the louder noise has less miles on it(36,783)and the noise completely goes away when you pull the clutch lever.Let it out,and it will go away.pull it again and it might come back, might not.When the bike is good and warm 3 or 4 bars on the gauge, its gone until the bike cools down again.I still can't convince the owner to go buy the good oil for them.I've thought about doing it myself just so I could prove a point.If I go spend $40.00 bucks on a couple of gallons of oil for someone elses bike,because they are to hard headed to do it themselves I'll NEVER hear the end of it!!!The way she see's it and I quote her word for word..."if he is willing to tear up an engine to save a few dollars then he deserves what he gets!" :D
Sorry guys,I didn't mean to hijack my own post! When I get the new picture of the barn bikes I'll post them elsewhere.
So, one has to decide -- is the knowledge worth $40?? :???: Tough call. I have a powerful curiosity...but I'm not THAT curious!
I'm pretty darn curious,I just don't want to get yelled at.From my wife or the owner of the bikes.Also if one of his bikes does actually thrash sometime after they leave this garage, I don't want fingers pointing at me!
I don't know :-? if I were getting an 83 V-65 out of the deal I might just dig up the $40.00 my self :cool:.. Do you get the 83 whether you fix the 84 or not?
That's where it gets kind difficult for me.The deal was to get two 84 Magna's,One 86 honda aero scooter,One 1987 VFR400R,And One 69 Trail 90 running and ready to sell.The agreement was for carb cleaning,tune ups and minor work to them.Just the normal stuff after 10 years of storage.He told me none of the bikes would need anything more than carbs cleaned.So here we go...Ive already done the work on the bikes we agreed on, plus two more that he has already sold that was not part of the original deal.The magnas are ready to go except for the noises and turn signal stems all around.He isn't really concerned with the noises.Or the turn signal stems.So my deal is basically done.Now I'm stuck with these bikes in my garage.I push them out in the morning ,and put a for sale sign by them, and put them up in the evening.I have them on Craigslist.And in the local papers.I've hinted to him that he needs to take them home because I need the room.All I got was that he did not have room.He wants $3250 for the magnas(each) and $1250 for the Trail 90.All the others are sold and gone.Me selling the bikes was not part of the deal.Just to get them running.I'm afraid to tick him off at this point,because I want the title to the 83.I still have to pay $1500 for the 83.He took over $1000 off of the asking price for the work to the other bikes.I'm hoping with the extra I'm doing he will take it off the price as well.I'm disabled and this is the only way I could afford my dream bike.
Sounds like you've held up your end of the bargain.. good luck!!
$3250?!? Where are you selling them? Down here I am seeing very clean ones for around $2700.
Yeah, I know! I keep trying to convince the guy that they won't bring that kind of money.He won't listen.They are in Lubbock,and it looks like they will be in my garage for awhile unless he drops his price.I keep telling him he needs to replace the turn signal stems and hr brought me a bottle of glue!LOL!! The guy just doesn't get it.He is a real nice guy he just loves his money!
I here ya but will he still be a nice guy when you tell him he needs to take his bikes and sell them himself and you would like the title to commence the original deal?
Also you are willing to sell his bikes on a commission basis or you keep anything over a certain amount, if you so desire. If they don't sell within 2 weeks the price is dropped X dollars. I would not run anymore adds and tell him I agreed to repair but didn't agree to sell but willing to make a deal to do so. If he wants too high of a price, politely decline. If he ask why, explain you can't sell them for that.
Not to dog your friend, could be nice because he doesn't want to lose your free services.
Of course I only know one side of it. :-?
I have watched some trail 90's and 1250.00 is on the higher side unless it's in great shape cosmetically and mechanically. If not, it takes many dollars to bring em back. Agree with what's been said on the Magna's also.
Keep us posted, Good luck!
The 1969 trail 90 is a real nice bike and it should bring the $1250.It has 567 original miles and all it needs is fork seals and boots, which after over six months of talking I finally convinced him to buy if he had any chance of selling it for the $1250.At first he wanted $950.00 with out a carb or the seals and boots.I found a carb and got it running and the price shot up to the $1250 it is at now.I'm afraid to detail it out he'll want $5000.00 for it!! LOL!!!
I've thought about asking how all the extra work I'm doing is going to affect the final price of the 83,but He is supposed to bring it back over here to get me started working on it and he kinda keeps stalling.I think I'll wait until it is back in the garage before I say anything.
Here's the link for the trail 90 and maroon magna
http://lubbock.craigslist.org/mcy/732744997.html
http://lubbock.craigslist.org/mcy/745060531.html
In my humble opinion, he will the bikes for a while at those prices...
Yes sir,I agree with you completely.I'm too embarassed to show the other 84 he has for the same amount of $.Some of you would probably faint!LOL!
No need for you to be embarrassed, we are just giving opinions. Your opinion might differ, even if it is wrong. :-P :-P
Thanks for the honest opinions.That's really what I was looking for I guess.Someone to agree with me about the prices being too high.I'm hoping with all of of the experts of MOOT agreeing with me, I can convince him to drop his prices and say goodbye to these bikes.I am by no means a mechanic.I enjoy tinkering on the old bikes and have gotten lots of fun out of working on these,but it is time for them to go.
The original reason for the post was to try and make sure that there wasn't a serious problem with the noisy bikes.I would never be able to live with myself if I helped sell a bike to someone knowing there was something definately wrong it.The owner was not very concerned about the noise,but I was.Maybe I'm the one that is freaking out for no reason and it actually is nothing.I just want to be sure they aren't going to blow up on the possible new owners,and cost them their hard earned money to fix.I'm a poor boy and I know I would not want it to happen to me ,couldn't afford it.
He brought over a bottle of Rislone engine treatment to pour into the bikes to see if that will help(I guess we are starting to get to him!)LOL!!!! I'll keep at him! thanks guys!!!