I am expecting new front pads to replace my stock ones. I ordered the ebc double h sintered brake pads from dennis kirk. Has anyone put these pads on? Did it help stop the bike faster? I was due new ones so I am going to try these. They are due in today, so I will put them on this weekend.. Thanks, Lance :grin:
Lance I have always run stock pads mainly cause I believe pads are cheaper than disc's :lol:. For better braking I would personally suggest a stainless steel brake line.
Quote from: L J BAD MAG on August 15, 2008, 02:48:05 PM
Has anyone put these pads on? Did it help stop the bike faster? Thanks, Lance :grin:
Lance,
I bought the exact ones you are about to install. Now on my 01 Magna the stock front brakes seem to work fine but I haven't ridden it that much either. On my 94 I had little stopping power up front, I could squeeze the lever and it felt I was going to bust a seal loose! I installed the Double H Sintered pads which made a noticeable difference. I keep a record of everything and wrote down the mileage and mic'd my rotors due to the weardown info ones have mentioned. I ride 2-up many times and I would come close to entering the intersection before I could stop.
The pads are what I needed and worked great so far. I realize rotors are expensive but I needed to stop first so I would be here to purchase a new rotor! I've read much about rotor wear down but have no solid info how much faster they wear? Maybe mute, as the rotor might wear 10, 20, or 30 percent faster, I don't know?? For instance, if a stock rotor last 100,000 miles and with Sintered pads the rotor last 70,000, that's not so bad. If the pads wore my rotor down in 20,000 miles, than we might have to do something else. I figured I could always find a used rotor.
When I changed wear was not as large of an issue as I needed to stop, for some reason it was that bad for me. Now I can brake with less pressure and fewer fingers, less pressure might offset wear issues. I will mic my rotors again soon to see where I am at, so far about 10,000 miles on these pads.
I do look forward to another perspective from a fellow rider. I think EBC recommends a 500 mile period for these to mate well with your rotor.
Thanks Terry and Greg for the reply.. I do vaguely remember you mentioning the SS lines at MOOTmag Greg. I might go ahead and order these to help with the braking as well. Terry, I have the same issue you have, it seems I don't stop as soon as I feel is in a safe amount of distance. Maybe I am traveling too fast when I start to apply the brakes- 8) , I don't know. I just think that ANYTHING is better than what it has from stock!! I will put these on this weekend as they arrived last night :-D Lance
Quote from: TLRam1 on August 15, 2008, 08:44:04 PM
I do look forward to another perspective from a fellow rider. I think EBC recommends a 500 mile period for these to mate well with your rotor.
Terry, the set of EBC sintered pads I saw at Cycle Gear carried a warning that read like something out of the Tibetan Book Of the Dead for using sintered pads on bikes not originally sporting them. Which P/N are you trying?
Guy,
The EBC site shows this FA-196HH as the one fitting our 3rd Gen. Magna, easier to look there than in my file cabinet. I read many similar warnings referring to what you are saying. From what I can tell they do not want someone who is not use to the extra grippier pads to throw themselves over the front of the bike or loose control of their bike because of the grippier pads. I would presume most of this is a result of our societies-run to the court symptom.
Don't worry, you don't all of a sudden have super glue type brakes, it just takes less pressure to apply the brakes. It does have the feel I could possibly lock the front tire (not easily, but with ample force) where before it felt like I was about to blow a seal.
Put the new brakes on yesterday morning.. Took it for a ride, and ran it up to about 30 mph and came to stop. Done this about 6 times, enough to "smell" them getting hot. Then continued to go on a ride for about 50 miles.. WOW!!! :shock: Night and day difference in braking with these pads vs. stock. I will venture to say that I can stop at least a 1/3 quicker than I use to. I highly recommend these pads. EBC says there is a 150 mile break-in, so I figure that they will get even better. Very pleased with this product.. Lance
If you think the pads make that much of a difference, go ahead and install the SS brake line. You will be amazed.
That is going to be my next purchase, along with a v-4 emblem from cycle-istic from Dobie :lol:
Where is the best place to buy a stainless steel front brake line? You guys have convinced me that I should put one one and be able to stop better.
Dave Dodge has the SS lines....his info is somewhere on the MOOT main site, I know there is a link under the FAQ Section of this forum.
Good to hear your results Lance on the pads.
OK, I am convinced. I have ordered the pads, and left a message at DDRP to order the SS brake line.
After installing DD shims and jets, Maggie really runs. Now I need her to stop :cool:
FYI, Lawrence.. I noticed that when I broke the caliper bolts loose, it was very hard to do. Then I seen the red loctite on the bolts! Just a reminder to put loctite back on. I used blue instead of red.. :cool:
Thanks for the tip, Lance.
Question why did you take the front caliper off I know stupid ?? but the pads can be changed with the caliper on the bike one pin basically and the pads fall out may want to spread the pistons before you do it but it can be done without removal..
Allen, I could get one pad in, but the other side did not have enough clearance. My pads had gotten pretty low, and the caliper pods were that far out. I didn't want to try squeezing a c-clamp in aroung my brake rotor, so I just pulled the 2 bolts. While off, pushed the pods back in, then put the caliper back on. Then put the brake pads. That seemed easiest for me. It was my first time on this bike as well. I also wanted to make sure the pads would slide in the caliper properly, even though they were identical to the pads I took off. And, maybe, a little curious how things work down there. :lol:
Hey thats fine too just wanted to point it out that it can be done heck it almost a quick change with one pin to take out and they fall out!!!! Well pretty much!!!
The front brake on my Magna has started squealing for attention, so it looks like I am going to be changing pads since the wear grooves are gone on both pads. I would have thought brake pads would have lasted longer than 6000 miles. Maybe the caliper is sticking, although it doesn't feel that way when the bike is in motion.
In regards to Allen's comment that you can remove the pads without pulling the calipers, I noticed the service manual describes how to do that, but why? Unless you were replacing pads that had only recently been installed but had somehow become contaminated, wouldn't you want to take time to clean and relube the caliper pin bolts?
Something else I saw in the manual that puzzles me is that it calls for replacing the bolts used to mount the caliper to the fork when the caliper is taken off and put back on. Is there something special about those bolts that justifies doing that or is that just based on an assumption that the bolts would be old and corroded by the time the caliper needed to be serviced?
I have now run about 1500 miles with the "grippier' pads and the SS brake line. They work great. I have adjusted to the new feel so it no longer feels new.
With the addition of Progressive fork springs, the bike feels a lot more secure in quick stops. It is really comforting to know that I can stop this bike in short order when necessary.
Now I am even more into the rear view mirror when stopping so I don't get run over :cool:
Quote from: Guy Gadois on February 14, 2009, 12:52:40 AM
Something else I saw in the manual that puzzles me is that it calls for replacing the bolts used to mount the caliper to the fork when the caliper is taken off and put back on. Is there something special about those bolts that justifies doing that or is that just based on an assumption that the bolts would be old and corroded by the time the caliper needed to be serviced?
You buy parts = Honda makes profit :)
I think you're right, and even the guy at the Honda parts counter said he thought that had to be a misprint in the manual.
It's all for naught, anyway, since I took a closer look when I rolled the bike outside in the daylight to discover that while I may need to clean the brakes and to get my eyes checked, I do not need pads yet. Assuming they haven't begun to drag, they look to be at 80% of new. I wish I had known that before I spent the money on new pads, but I'll need them at some point anyway, so no harm in having them on hand.
Well, Guy, I am glad I am not the only one who rationalizes purchasing errors in this manner. I hope you still have the bike when you need the pads... :smile: