WEll, put the new one in the rear cylinders yesterday. Bigger job than I expected, but I know I could it in half the time now. Forgot how quiet my bike should be since I have ridden it at least 10k miles needing it.
Tried to sync my carbs with a motion pro and it sucked all the fluid out of the middle 2 tubes immediately. I am ordering some more, but am concerned that there was that much suction on the front cylinders. Could my carbs be THAT out of wack? The outer 2 (rear cylinders) barely raised at all.
Quote from: DG on April 11, 2009, 06:32:10 PM
Tried to sync my carbs with a motion pro and it sucked all the fluid out of the middle 2 tubes immediately. I am ordering some more, but am concerned that there was that much suction on the front cylinders. Could my carbs be THAT out of wack? The outer 2 (rear cylinders) barely raised at all.
That seems exceeding strange. I wouldn't think it would even run, and if it did, would shake your teeth out.
did you install the dampeners in the vacuum tubes? did you put the dampeners in right near the inlet of the motion pro tool? i have one too. i tried to use mine the other day, and to find it broken. the fluid will freeze on you in the winter. i wish they would have told me that, lol. $30 plus shipping back/forth to repair. i think i may just opt for the morgan carbtune. under $100 and no fluid or mercury. if you need extra fluid, i have a full bottle and a half left, plus parts from this one if you or anyone else wants it. make sure to follow the directions when refilling it, and after you put the recommended number of drops in, remember to cap the top of the plastic tubes and turn the screws in real slow or you'll end up with bubbles in the fluid.
Quote from: lragan on April 11, 2009, 08:11:45 PM
Quote from: DG on April 11, 2009, 06:32:10 PM
Tried to sync my carbs with a motion pro and it sucked all the fluid out of the middle 2 tubes immediately. I am ordering some more, but am concerned that there was that much suction on the front cylinders. Could my carbs be THAT out of wack? The outer 2 (rear cylinders) barely raised at all.
That seems exceeding strange. I wouldn't think it would even run, and if it did, would shake your teeth out.
Iragan....Can you recommend a good tool for sync. my carbs that won't cost an arm and a leg. Can you still get the old mercury type? I haven't worked on motorcycles in years but I'm going to do the work on mine since I can't afford to have it done.....Thanks in advance.........Cuz
Chad,
I was planning on ordering some fluid, but will be glad to buy yours off you if it is doing you no good. I will send you a PM about it.
I did not install the "dampening" pieces, but there are some copper restrictor things in the end of each tube. I guess my friend that gave it to me installed them. I don't have a manuel or anything either. Do these things need to be calibrated? I mean, the 4 screws at the bottom clearly open and close the tubes, is this for that?
I thought when I get the new fluid in I would use the 4 into 1 adaptor it comes with and put it on my mityvac and adjust those screws to see if I can get all 4 even, then try and sync the carbs again.
My bike runs good, starts easily, idles fine and pulls hard. So I can't believe the carbs are that out of sync either. I ordered a K&N today so I will retry all this then. Plus I figure I will be going up one jet size with the new filter.
you have to take the thing apart and first clean it by removing the adjustment screws. yep, those are calibration screws. you really need to know how to use it before hooking it up to the bike. if those screws aren't in the right place, they can do exactly what happened to you. if the screws are opened to far (under vacuum), the fluid will get sucked out .how you are supposed to calibrate it is, you hook all four tubes up to the little plastic manifold, and then hook the one little hose up to the #1 carb to get a baseline reading on all four gauges. you then 'trim' the screws till they match each other. the calibration is done at idle, and you have to adjust them in the 1st 3rd or up to half of the scale to get them even or close to even. then you hook up each of the four lines o the ports that are mounted in the bike. then you mess with the adjustment screws under the carbs to get 'em close. there is a writeup somewhere on how to do it on the magna. i'll dig it up. the dampening things (brass/copper things) need to be installed in each line, and those have to be on the ports of the carb tool, not the bike side. your motion pro tool has the blue fluid, right? if it does than i have the fluid for ya. if not,than it's a mercury one. they don't make those annymore. here are some .pdf's on how/what you need to do.
http://motionpro.com/documents/pdf/syncpro_tech.pdf (using the syncpro)
http://motionpro.com/documents/pdf/08-0415.I8-0415.pdf (refilling the syncpro)
Quote from: Capt. Howard on April 11, 2009, 08:53:07 PM
Iragan....Can you recommend a good tool for sync. my carbs that won't cost an arm and a leg. Can you still get the old mercury type? I haven't worked on motorcycles in years but I'm going to do the work on mine since I can't afford to have it done.....Thanks in advance.........Cuz
I bought a "mercury stick" from Motion Pro - 650-594-9600. The mercury came in a separate vial, and I had to install it in the four plastic cylinders, mounted to a board with calibrations on them. It works well. I don't remember precisely what I paid, but it was under $50 -- about $30 comes to mind.
Curtis chimed in that the water based ones are more sensitive, and indeed they are. Atmospheric pressure is about 30 centimeters of mercury and about 30 feet in water. But, when using them, the mercury jumps up and down a good bit anyway, and you have to "eyeball average" the height; however, you can easily see if one of the carbs is sucking harder than the others, as the peaks and valleys are easily discernible.
I have used it once, and friends have used it multiple times. It is hanging in my shop here in Austin, Texas, and anyone who wishes is welcome to come by and use it.
Thanks for the great info. I am using the blue fluid, but have used the mercury type and like it. I wish I knew what happened to mine when we moved.
I went out and double checked mine, the restrictor was at the carb end of the tube, not the motion pro/glass tube end. I will switch them around. My friend must have done it that way and maybe that had something to do with his not liking it.
Just reading the 1st pdf and it states my setup was correct, with the restrictor on the carb side.
you're right, lol. i have it on my desk all apart, and i thought that's the way i took them off, lol. :)
Quote from: lragan on April 11, 2009, 09:52:58 PM
Quote from: Capt. Howard on April 11, 2009, 08:53:07 PM
Iragan....Can you recommend a good tool for sync. my carbs that won't cost an arm and a leg. Can you still get the old mercury type? I haven't worked on motorcycles in years but I'm going to do the work on mine since I can't afford to have it done.....Thanks in advance.........Cuz
I bought a "mercury stick" from Motion Pro - 650-594-9600. The mercury came in a separate vial, and I had to install it in the four plastic cylinders, mounted to a board with calibrations on them. It works well. I don't remember precisely what I paid, but it was under $50 -- about $30 comes to mind.
Curtis chimed in that the water based ones are more sensitive, and indeed they are. Atmospheric pressure is about 30 centimeters of mercury and about 30 feet in water. But, when using them, the mercury jumps up and down a good bit anyway, and you have to "eyeball average" the height; however, you can easily see if one of the carbs is sucking harder than the others, as the peaks and valleys are easily discernible.
I have used it once, and friends have used it multiple times. It is hanging in my shop here in Austin, Texas, and anyone who wishes is welcome to come by and use it.
I was checking out the CarbTune Pro on line....What are your thoughts on that... Thumbs up or thumbs down? Also should I get the L-drive for the 8mm socket (for adjusting carbs) or is there something in our tool boxes that will do the same? Thanks Again.....I'm getting some good info. I really need...The last bike I completely rebuilt was a Norton back in the early 80's.........Cuz
Capt Howard, if you have not had the carbs separated from one another a sync is really not worth the effort I have found in the "few" I have done..
Make one on the inexpensive.
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Quote from: Greg Cothern on April 12, 2009, 11:47:19 AM
Capt Howard, if you have not had the carbs separated from one another a sync is really not worth the effort I have found in the "few" I have done..
This is good info, I have yet to sync any carbs attached to a bank, not that I wouldn't but know they will be close unless someone messed with them. That being said I do maintenance just to know where I stand, to get it set right and it doesn't hurt.
When I had my FZR400 I rejetted often, based on weather conditions (drove my wife nuts). I would sync everytime and it was needed each time. Of course my carbs were inline, but I never seperated them from each other.
Quote from: Capt. Howard on April 12, 2009, 11:02:44 AMAlso should I get the L-drive for the 8mm socket (for adjusting carbs) or is there something in our tool boxes that will do the same? Thanks Again.....I'm getting some good info. I really need...The last bike I completely rebuilt was a Norton back in the early 80's.........Cuz
I sprung for a right angle drive ratchet wrench, but the head is pretty big. It will fit, but you gotta hold your mouth just right.
I put Maggie on a lift for this operation so I did not have to stand on my head to get to the adjustment screws. One of the carbs was out of sync with the other three, so I only had to tweak one of 'em -- the hardest one to get to, of course :lol: :lol:
Ok Guys here is the problem. I bought this bike after "IKE". I couldn't let this bike go to the scrap yard or were ever it would wind up after insurance totals them. A good friend told me about the bike who works thru salvage companies who handled insurance claims. When I got it it had been flushed/cleaned...ect. All fluids changed ect. The bike runs pretty good but has at least one cylinder not firing in sync. Slow acceleration and it has a stall and then goes. If you hold at steady speed it has a misfiring sound and doesn't hold steady rpm. If you get down on it it runs great and pulls good but doesn't do good trying to hold a steady speed. This is why I am trying to get everything I might need before taking it appart..
If you have any ideas I'm open. Thanks Again to All........
Capt. Howard, where is this bike? You could benefit from attending a wrench session for sure. If you are somewhere close to the numerous motorheads of this outfit, you can get some excellent help just by showing up. Heck, we might even plan one just to get a look at this rescue bike of yours. :lol: :lol:
Capt.,
If you fill in your location it will make it easier for one of us to step up and help ya.
In to your carbs, my 01 did the same thing as yours when I shipped it from Delaware. Rest easy, probably just needs a good carb cleaning, my jets were clean but I had a little brown gel that was the culprit.
You have one of the most knowledgeable carb guys at your disposal when not on the boat, Allen aka, (roboto65) not that someone else would not be able to help. Could it be something else like electrical, possibly, carb cleaning will more than likely fix you up. While inside the carbs and depending what mods you have you may want to jet and shim your carbs.
I will post a link to the carb thread you can take a look at to see what worked for others.
Here you go, be careful this becomes addictive! :P :P
http://www.magnaownersoftexas.com/forums/index.php?topic=2119.0
Quote from: TLRam1 on April 12, 2009, 11:05:02 PM
Capt.,
If you fill in your location it will make it easier for one of us to step up and help ya. Thanks Terry,Iragan and All. I'm also not to p/c savy. Not sure how or where my information is supposed to be. I have my profile filed out with that info. I checked it this morning and maybe it didn't show the changes I made a few days ago. I entered my password and clicked submit changes...(help?) I live in Kemah,Tx. That is between Galveston and Houston,Tx. on the Gulf Coast.
Yes I do believe your right Terry....I think there is a carb. dirty. I thought I would have to pull all the carbs and clean them all to be sure I get the problem the first time around. Yes I would Like to have a knowlegable person (or persons) help. I would like to know what jets are in it and shim if it doesn't have them ect..
Thanks Again....All Help appreiciated until I can return the favor........Capt.Howard
In to your carbs, my 01 did the same thing as yours when I shipped it from Delaware. Rest easy, probably just needs a good carb cleaning, my jets were clean but I had a little brown gel that was the culprit.
You have one of the most knowledgeable carb guys at your disposal when not on the boat, Allen aka, (roboto65) not that someone else would not be able to help. Culd it be something else like electrical, possibly, carb cleaning will more than likely fix you up. While inside the carbs and depending what mods you have you may want to jet and shim your carbs.
I will post a link to the carb thread you can take a look at to see what worked for others.
Capt,
In your signature line you added this
"The world is a dangerous place to live, not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it."
Go back to this area maybe called "Forum Profile Info", that's where most of us added our name and location, you can only have so many characters than it cuts you off.
Quote from: TLRam1 on April 13, 2009, 09:59:26 AM
Capt,
In your signature line you added this
"The world is a dangerous place to live, not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it."
Go back to this area maybe called "Forum Profile Info", that's where most of us added our name and location, you can only have so many characters than it cuts you off.
Thanks .......I'll try again..........
"1999/Magna/750c2....Kemah,Tx."
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Ya done good Capt., knew your were not called Capt for nothing. :P I heard about this place called T-Bone-Toms Restaurant, I'm getting hungry, can you arrange..... :lol:
Quote from: TLRam1 on April 13, 2009, 05:33:29 PM
Ya done good Capt., knew your were not called Capt for nothing. :P I heard about this place called T-Bone-Toms Restaurant, I'm getting hungry, can you arrange..... :lol:
Any time....Just come on down....Always welcomed...Bring your RVs/Campers or what ever you sleep in and I have a place for you to park...no charge for friends.....Just having a good time..........Capt.Howard
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Capt. Howard,
Your tag line is very much like MLK's remark in a speech in Atlanta in 1964:
"All that is required for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing."
I like it.
Yes Sir, your sig line is on the money!
Quote from: lragan on April 13, 2009, 06:19:19 PM
Capt. Howard,
Your tag line is very much like MLK's remark in a speech in Atlanta in 1964:
"All that is required for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing."
I like it.
Actually it was a quote of Albert Einstein.....MLK's was a good one too...Thanks to all of you for helping this slow learning p/c operator. With all the help I get here and God guiding my hands I bet I get "IKE" (that's my bikes name) running and looking like new again....Thanks Capt.Howard
Quote from: DG on April 11, 2009, 06:32:10 PM
WEll, put the new one in the rear cylinders yesterday. Bigger job than I expected, but I know I could it in half the time now. Forgot how quiet my bike should be since I have ridden it at least 10k miles needing it.
Tried to sync my carbs with a motion pro and it sucked all the fluid out of the middle 2 tubes immediately. I am ordering some more, but am concerned that there was that much suction on the front cylinders. Could my carbs be THAT out of wack? The outer 2 (rear cylinders) barely raised at all.
Going to attempt the ones in my V65 Magna this weekend, wanna come over and direct traffic? JumboBret and Dave Shireman may be along for the ride also, Brett is a much better wrench than me, and Dave is just a glutton for punishment! He's hoping we get done in good time so we can take a nice cruise afterwards!!!!
Hmmm. I KNOW I can do it faster now for sure. What part of the world and timeframe are we looking at? I have to coach a soccer game in the morning but should be free after Noontime.
Quote from: DG on April 14, 2009, 11:05:19 AM
Hmmm. I KNOW I can do it faster now for sure. What part of the world and timeframe are we looking at? I have to coach a soccer game in the morning but should be free after Noontime.
McKinney, which is just north of Dallas, looks like Saturday is probably going to be the day................