Hiya, new to this forum and new to Magna ownership. Just bought a black, '94 w/17k, cobra pipes, k&n filter, light bar and floor boards for $2k. Not bad deal eh? I had to have the tank acid washed as it had sat a little and it needed a jet kit and re syncing/cleaning the carbs with those pipes (the prev guy never bothered) but it's almost perfect now.
However, even after this work and a full service, it was still only getting 17-20 mpg.
I just put some E3 spark plugs in today so I'll keep you updated on what that does for the bike. The old ones were completely black with black oil at the base of them.
Apart from new sparks, does anybody have any other suggestions?
I know the jet kit (stage 1) and pipes will reduce mpgs but 20mpg?
My riding is around town and some motorway where I average 70-85mph, mostly around 80). I suppose I could try one tank where I only avg 70 but I'd rather ride the car pool lane and that would be too slow.
Cheers for any help on this.
On my initial install of the Cobra Stage 1 kit to what looked correct on the Cobra instruction paper, I was getting 22mpg. I was also blowing out plenty of black smoke at full throttle. Moving the clips on the needles up one notch corrected that problem. I also have Cobra pipes and a K&N filter.
Quote from: drkngas on January 09, 2010, 04:44:40 PM
On my initial install of the Cobra Stage 1 kit to what looked correct on the Cobra instruction paper, I was getting 22mpg. I was also blowing out plenty of black smoke at full throttle. Moving the clips on the needles up one notch corrected that problem. I also have Cobra pipes and a K&N filter.
Cheers for the reply. I'll pass this info onto my mechanic. I wish I had the time to install the kit myself but with a family and owning a business, you know how it goes. This is also my only transportation so I didn't want to mess it up as I'm still learning as I go. Just yesterday my mechanic turned a couple screws to make the fuel mixture a little more lean to increase mpg's too but I think it needs to go back to where he had it before as it pops a lot now on deceleration. It didn't do that straight after the jet kit install and larger idle jets.
It won't take too long to get through this tank and I'll see where I'm at. Ta for the clip info. No black smoke for me but I'll ask him about it.
First Welcome to the site from Tampa Bay Florida..
2nd, do you know what size main jets did you install??
It sounds like your mechanic screwed in the idle jet screws (which will cause more popping) and will not really effect your mileage that much.. A little popping on decel is normal, just Maggie talking to you that she wants to go!!! You should be getting between 35 & 50 MPG..
Two more things.. Where you from Mate?
Can you look next to the serial number on the neck, and see if there is a "punch" mark at the end..
Hi and welcome to the club if you want your gas mielage to go up loosen the wrist alittle :lol: :lol: I know it is a hard thing to do LOL but you will see marked improvements :lol: when i had mine if I averaged 75 to 80 I would be hitting reserve around 85 or so miles give or take depending where my wrist was LOL
Quote from: hootmon on January 09, 2010, 05:33:30 PM
First Welcome to the site from Tampa Bay Florida..
2nd, do you know what size main jets did you install??
It sounds like your mechanic screwed in the idle jet screws (which will cause more popping) and will not really effect your mileage that much.. A little popping on decel is normal, just Maggie talking to you that she wants to go!!!
Two more things.. Where you from Mate?
Can you look next to the serial number on the neck, and see if there is a "punch" mark at the end..
Thanks for the welcome. Oldham, England, just outside of Manchester in the north west. I've been on this side of the pond for almost 10 years now though. The popping went away once he put the jet kit in along with the larger idle jets. The popping just came back today since he did a little something yesterday. He's a mobile mechanic and had forgotten to give me something back when he dropped off my bike. So when he came by the office yesterday I had him take a quick gander at it again. At that point, he took his screw driver and dialed two things on either side of the engine and said it would now run a little leaner—in an attempt to do a little something about the mpg. Not much but something. He recommended the spark plug replacement since he said he could hear one of the left ones not firing so well. Anyroad, I think we should dial that back to where it was because it only popped very occasionally after the jet kit but today it was popping at every other red light decel since it's leaner. I'm sure I could do that... If I knew where it was and how far to turn it. Will google it!
I'm collecting the feedback from this question and will ask him these things on Monday. Really appreciate the responses lads.
I'm driving about 50 miles to a business meeting on Monday morning so I'll figure out the hopefully new mpg soon.
No punch mark after the serial number - the long number punched into the head tube? - or whatever it's called on a motorbike.
Quote from: roboto65 on January 09, 2010, 06:35:16 PM
Hi and welcome to the club if you want your gas mielage to go up loosen the wrist alittle :lol: :lol: I know it is a hard thing to do LOL but you will see marked improvements :lol: when i had mine if I averaged 75 to 80 I would be hitting reserve around 85 or so miles give or take depending where my wrist was LOL
hehe, yeah I know, I was waiting for that response! I'm not sure what the motorways are like in TX but here between orange county and los angeles I just prefer being in the car pool lane. If I'm honest, I'd also say I just like going fast, too. I really should just go 70 and stay in a slower lane. Good for the bike and good for the bank account, I'm sure.
I hit 90 'by accident' on Thursday so I looked around and figured I may as well hit 100 and see how the bike does. I was surprised at how smooth it was. I quickly came down to 80 after maybe 10 seconds because, well, I don't want a ticket and at that speed they may take it away from you. I won't be doing that again too quickly, especially with a fam to go home to.
I think I've also established the bike does 0-60 just quick enough and don't need to 'test' that anymore... The still bike got about 24mpg when I road it 'nicely' though when it was raining last month.
Oh you did not mention you were in Cali well not much to do there since the speed limit out there is double :lol: :lol: I have driven on the roads out there in the 80s and 5 was the fastest and love Big Sur Hwy 1...
hehe, yeah, sorry. Everyone around here seems to have hurry sickness so the motorways have a fast average speed. If it's not congested, 80mph seems to be the accepted speed limit. One doesn't have to give into that but I find myself staying around there, too.
But like I said, even when it was raining last month and I rode at maybe 65-70 and didn't jump out of the stocks at lights, I was still only getting 24mpg.
Will give an update tomorrow after the ride to San Diego. I like the questions I've been given to ask the mechanic, too, so we'll see what he says.
You didn't answer the question on the main jet size.. Maybe you don't know..
Don't google for the idle jet adjustment, search this site.. It's usually between 2 3/4 and 3 turns out from all the way in, but it is in a carb thread somewhere.. You also need a special "D" shaped bit to do it which is listed in the same thread..
Here are three threads you can start with.. to catch up.. Yeah, there's some reading to do.. !!
Start with this one:
http://www.magnaownersoftexas.com/forums/index.php?topic=2119.0 (http://www.magnaownersoftexas.com/forums/index.php?topic=2119.0)
Then go to these..
http://www.magnaownersoftexas.com/forums/index.php?topic=3837.0 (http://www.magnaownersoftexas.com/forums/index.php?topic=3837.0)
http://www.magnaownersoftexas.com/forums/index.php?topic=3914.0 (http://www.magnaownersoftexas.com/forums/index.php?topic=3914.0)
The '94 had a TSB (Technical Service Bulletin) issues on an oiling issue on the top end.. The TSB instructed to drill small holes in the cam bearing retainers to let oil pass through..
IF Honda did the work, they were supposed to put a punch mark on the neck near the S/N..
I also have a '94 and and this work was never done on mine and I have over 70K on mine and she still runs like new.. So I wouldn't worry too much about it..
Since we now know that you are in Cali, I would guess you have a Cali Smog modified version..
You will know because you will have a pipe attached to the large bolt on the right side (Brake side). the picture below shows a NON-Cali model with no pipe..
(http://i37.tinypic.com/289bk3o.jpg)
Welcome to MOOT David!!
No need to waste time researching anywhere, all the info you need can be found here and someone can tell you where would be a pretty good place to start.
Hootmon, our Florida resident who we can't run off nor have had any luck getting him to Texas, gave you some good info to read and start with and drkngas may have hit it on the head also.
No one has really said where you need to be because we do not know what you have on your bike. Your mechanic may be fine but working with the pilot jet in this way is trying to put a bandade over the issue w/o fixing the problem.
You say Jet Kit, specifically what was put in?
Cobra Jet Kit or Dave Dodge Kit or what the mechanic called a Stage 1 in that case is what?
Reading the above Hootmon gave you will tell you where you need to be depending on what was installed and you can get it right/close, for the most part, the first time.
On speeds you are talking about, 38MPG would be about the best you can expect for highway with shield and other variables considered.
Can you call your mechanic and see what was done? He will appreciate the help to get this right.
Find this out, post up and we can get you there.
So David.. Now you see that I am the Opening act, to keep you busy and interested until the real experts like Terry, Greg, and others show up to really help you..
BTW - I lived in Cali for a good chunk of time and in LA for 4 years. I had a 750/4 while I was out there.. See how I keep you busy and interested???? (http://i41.tinypic.com/25gunhd.jpg)
(http://i43.tinypic.com/2q8ymhk.jpg)
To disagree with Allen...
I don't think 50 mpg is possible on the 3rd gen...unless you have a lot of tail wind, a huge down hill, and a light beer gut hahah.
I've been able to achieve 51 mpg but my bike is a 1st gen, stock, tires maxed out with air, and in comparison to the typical motorcycle rider...i don't weigh too much (180lbs).
I had the throttle pegged at 70mph at about 5000 RPM for almost 3 hours it seemed so its not as fun as you think...
Much more fun to to ride like a jack rabbit and enjoy the fact that your bike is faster than most cars on the road :) :) :).
I'd shoot for 40 mpg! Very acceptable for a v4 bike that weighs 500lbs.
I have semi- stock pipes w/ K&N and consistently get between 40 & 48 MPG...
I will get under 40 if I run above 80 for any real length of time
Quote from: hootmon on January 10, 2010, 08:53:36 AM
I have semi- stock pipes w/ K&N and consistently get between 40 & 48 MPG...
I will get under 40 if I run above 80 for any real length of time
So you average 45.
Good. That's about the same as mine.
I think people should report averages more than highest reached.
Maybe I could get 55 mpg if I starved myself for 2 weeks, and stripped down my magna to the bare essentials lol.
20 mpg is unacceptable....did you say BOSS HOSS?
I heard the new vmax averages 30mpg, and I'm sure those guys probably get like 25-28 mpg on average due to riding that super bike!
Ahhhhhh come on now it is possible if you average below 40 MPH the whole way :lol: :lol: but I did not say 50 MPG thats a stretch heck the only time I even got close to that was when riding in a group and the speeds were kept down for the slow riders !!
Quote from: roboto65 on January 10, 2010, 09:17:20 AM
... and the speeds were kept down for the slow riders !!
Like me!
The best mpg I've gotten was the final leg of the CHICKEN FRIED BACON ride when we went to Roundtop to eat PIE and had that long slow ride home in the torrential downpour. That tank came out to 45 mpg.
I've just changed the exhaust from stock to drag pipes on Brenda's Magna so I have no idea what kind of mpg it is going to get. It's been to cold to ride enough to tell. But, since we have had this Magna it's has consistently averaged 50 mpg. I posted this once before on one of our mpg threads and someone always says that 50 mpg on a third gen is impossible. It is obvious that the mpg of magnas varies more than just a little in some cases, and I'm not claiming that 50 is normal for all or even most Magnas, but it IS possible. And no my wife does not ride like an old lady, she keeps up with me on the Valk and a few of you know how I ride. So in my nicest voice :smile: I'll ask that when someones post that they get 50 mpg, please refrain from saying it's impossible, it's almost like your being accused of being less than honest, thanks 8)..
Thanks again for all the feedback. I'll try and get a hold of me mechanic tomorrow and get a few answers to your questions.
Sometimes the bike seems to not have nearly as much power as other times too. Like it hits a wall around 5k rpms. At that point, I can keep twisting and it has a big delay before it delivers. It then screams from 6k up. I just rode into work (argh) and it didn't 'seem' much better (I was still occasionally hitting that wall) than when I had the old spark plugs in so it must be one of these other items that you've brought up. I bring this up because I can just 'feel' the petrol being sucked up during this 'wall' as I keep twisting with little response. However, if I rabbit start and get to 60 fast the 'wall' never really shows itself. It only appears if I'm cruising around 4k and want to pick it up a little.
I'll read through the material tonight so I'm a little more educated on the whole matter. Cheers for that.
It seems like this is all related so hopefully I can get to the bottom of it.
Here's the answers I do know today:
Jet Kit - installed. It was a Cobra Stage one specifically for the VF750C 94-03. It's made for them by dynojet. They don't make a stage 2 for this model (verified by calling both cobra and dynojet).
Pipes are Cobra slash cut - full pipes, not just the slip-ons - if that makes a difference?
Filter is K&N
Will post as soon as I get more info for you and ta again for the help. 38mpg would be just fine for me!
Quote from: Charles S Otwell on January 10, 2010, 03:23:10 PM
I've just changed the exhaust from stock to drag pipes on Brenda's Magna so I have no idea what kind of mpg it is going to get. It's been to cold to ride enough to tell. But, since we have had this Magna it's has consistently averaged 50 mpg. I posted this once before on one of our mpg threads and someone always says that 50 mpg on a third gen is impossible. It is obvious that the mpg of magnas varies more than just a little in some cases, and I'm not claiming that 50 is normal for all or even most Magnas, but it IS possible. And no my wife does not ride like an old lady, she keeps up with me on the Valk and a few of you know how I ride. So in my nicest voice :smile: I'll ask that when someones post that they get 50 mpg, please refrain from saying it's impossible, it's almost like your being accused of being less than honest, thanks 8)..
I'd have to see it to believe it....
and if I lose my job at my investment bank, don't worry, i'll be visiting the lone star state very soon!
*cough* need to *cough* go to MOOT wrench session *cough* for Allen's saddlebags/top case *cough* and darkside rear tire* cough*
*cough*!
David the stutter well flat spot between 5000 and 6000 is a known thing on the Magnas and the solution is to put a shim on the needles and raise the needles about .20 of an inch that may solve that we will get the Magna screaming in no time!!!!
Quote from: roboto65 on January 10, 2010, 05:24:02 PM
David the stutter well flat spot between 5000 and 6000 is a known thing on the Magnas and the solution is to put a shim on the needles and raise the needles about .20 of an inch that may solve that we will get the Magna screaming in no time!!!!
Nice one. Will have to do that. Cheers for the tip. Will hopefully get this bike properly dialed in soon. I didn't know if the mpg and that flat spot were linked so thanks for clearing that one up for me. Still learning. I've only ridden off-road and always used my mates extra bikes so this is my first on-road bike and my only wheels so I need to take care of it!
Quote from: Charles S Otwell on January 10, 2010, 03:23:10 PM
I've just changed the exhaust from stock to drag pipes on Brenda's Magna so I have no idea what kind of mpg it is going to get. It's been to cold to ride enough to tell. But, since we have had this Magna it's has consistently averaged 50 mpg. I posted this once before on one of our mpg threads and someone always says that 50 mpg on a third gen is impossible. It is obvious that the mpg of magnas varies more than just a little in some cases, and I'm not claiming that 50 is normal for all or even most Magnas, but it IS possible. And no my wife does not ride like an old lady, she keeps up with me on the Valk and a few of you know how I ride. So in my nicest voice :smile: I'll ask that when someones post that they get 50 mpg, please refrain from saying it's impossible, it's almost like your being accused of being less than honest, thanks 8)..
On the Colorado trip last summer, I consistently got 55+ mpg on my blue '96. It has Cobra pipes, K&N Filter, DD jets and shim kit per Greg's instructions on the web site. The carbs are carefully synchronized. I have never changed the plugs.
Around Austin, I typically get 45 mpg, sometimes as much as 50, once only 38. I have speculated about the difference -- altitude, gasoline formulated for higher altitude, slower riding in the twisties, who knows. :? :?
Charles is right. My calculator works, and I use the gasoline readout at the pumps just like everyone else. You can ignore the truth if you wish to, but it does not change the facts.
Quote from: lragan on January 10, 2010, 05:39:54 PM
Quote from: Charles S Otwell on January 10, 2010, 03:23:10 PM
I've just changed the exhaust from stock to drag pipes on Brenda's Magna so I have no idea what kind of mpg it is going to get. It's been to cold to ride enough to tell. But, since we have had this Magna it's has consistently averaged 50 mpg. I posted this once before on one of our mpg threads and someone always says that 50 mpg on a third gen is impossible. It is obvious that the mpg of magnas varies more than just a little in some cases, and I'm not claiming that 50 is normal for all or even most Magnas, but it IS possible. And no my wife does not ride like an old lady, she keeps up with me on the Valk and a few of you know how I ride. So in my nicest voice :smile: I'll ask that when someones post that they get 50 mpg, please refrain from saying it's impossible, it's almost like your being accused of being less than honest, thanks 8)..
On the Colorado trip last summer, I consistently got 55+ mpg on my blue '96. It has Cobra pipes, K&N Filter, DD jets and shim kit per Greg's instructions on the web site. The carbs are carefully synchronized. I have never changed the plugs.
Around Austin, I typically get 45 mpg, sometimes as much as 50, once only 38. I have speculated about the difference -- altitude, gasoline formulated for higher altitude, slower riding in the twisties, who knows. :? :?
Charles is right. My calculator works, and I use the gasoline readout at the pumps just like everyone else. You can ignore the truth if you wish to, but it does not change the facts.
I'm not ignoring the truth, just stating the 50+ is rare. We wish it wasn't.
If you're so inclined to speak the truth, share the secret for everyone to share :P.
My bike only gets 50 for specific reasons already mentioned above. I only see it on the highway.
Like I already stated, 40 is probably a good average to shoot for.
Frankly, I don't keep track nor can I lol...(no odometer). I just judge 100 miles...and I've been lucky.
Definitely on a 3.4 gallon tank, and you're getting 20 mpg...that kinda hurts. That's like the upper end of an unloaded F-150 hahah, and man what a difference.
David I made a boo boo not .20 it is .020 which if you stop by radio Shack and pick up a bag of small asst washers they will have enough shims for a few Magnas LOL
The Radio Shack assortment comes with 100 washers, 20 of which are the correct diameter. I measured the thickness of all 20 and 3 or 4 were a little thicker than the others. Just make sure the 4 you use are the same.
Thanks for the tip on the washers mate, will definitely be looking into doing that since it's very noticeable at times.
Today, I drove 180 miles round trip for a client meeting and I had 17-22mpg depending on the tank (had to fill up twice on the way and twice on the way back - defo lessons the appeal!). Glad I don't do that very often but it was a nice ride despite the fill-ups. So, obviously the spark plugs weren't the issue since I changed them on Saturday to E3's as the old ones were black on black with black to spare (they were bad).
Will email my mechanic your questions today and will check in with you when I hear back from him. Just a small update on the spark effect, or lack thereof.
Cheers again, DR.
Quote from: DavidJRoberts on January 10, 2010, 03:32:23 PM
Jet Kit - installed. It was a Cobra Stage one specifically for the VF750C 94-03. It's made for them by dynojet. They don't make a stage 2 for this model (verified by calling both cobra and dynojet).
OK.. I'll bite.. does Cobra kits come in different Main jet sizes?? I think they have clips on the needles, so does he need the shims??
Again.. I think the main thing we need to know is what size main jets were installed..
QuoteFrankly, I don't keep track nor can I lol...(no odometer).
A whole lot easier to get good gas mileage this way... ;) :P
i'd really like to know what jets/jet kit was used. even with my setup using 115 mains and 45 pilots, 43 tooth rear and 15 tooth front, i don't think my mileage was that bad doing 80+ on the freeway, ever. I think the lowest i've seen is 28 or so, and that is with racing at lights, high speed driving on the freeways. hope you get it fixed.
Quote from: chadschloss78 on January 11, 2010, 04:21:15 PM
i'd really like to know what jets/jet kit was used. even with my setup using 115 mains and 45 pilots, 43 tooth rear and 15 tooth front, i don't think my mileage was that bad doing 80+ on the freeway, ever. I think the lowest i've seen is 28 or so, and that is with racing at lights, high speed driving on the freeways. hope you get it fixed.
Thanks. Just waiting on my mechanics response so we can find this info out. The jet kit was a cobra stage 1 (made by dynojet) but I don't know what size jets he used until he emails back.
I also gave him some of the info that's been posted here. The links to the pages with other magna owners settins and so on.
Will keep you updated.
Hoot lets just say that the shims are about half the distance to the next clip so yes provides a little adjustment. And yes they are set for there needles the Cobra jets are tapered alot more than stock for sure...
If you hear nothing by tomorrow you can give Cobra a call to see what was in the kit, this is assuming what was in the kit was put in, really be good to hear from the mechanic if he checked what sizes and settings were installed. If your guy reads some of the info on this site he might be able to figure out what to do.
Quote from: TLRam1 on January 11, 2010, 08:50:14 PM
If you hear nothing by tomorrow you can give Cobra a call to see what was in the kit, this is assuming what was in the kit was put in, really be good to hear from the mechanic if he checked what sizes and settings were installed. If your guy reads some of the info on this site he might be able to figure out what to do.
Haven't heard back yet, it can take a couple days sometimes. I just looked up the sheet that came inside the kit (as a pdf from their site). It comes with 100, 104 and 108 main jets. Instructions say "If you are running an aftermarket exhaust or slip-on with a high flowing baffle, use the DJ108 main jets." So I presume he used the 108's.
It also says "Place E-clip in groove #3 from the top". So perhaps it was placed on another groove or it needs to be.
I can learn quickly but I don't want to pretend I know what I'm talking about! It seems like my worries are this area so hopefully I can get this right.
If you want to see the sheet that comes with the kit for your own reading pleasure, I got it from here: http://www.dynojet.com/jetkits/motorcycle/honda.aspx#700-900 (the cobra kit is made by dynojet - it's the exact same kit with private labeling).
Just out of curiousity what gear ratio (front and rear sprocket size)or you running. You may actually have a couple of areas working against you, not just carbs.
Quote from: Charles S Otwell on January 11, 2010, 10:15:55 PM
Just out of curiousity what gear ratio (front and rear sprocket size)or you running. You may actually have a couple of areas working against you, not just carbs.
Hum, I imagine the stock gears are in there. The previous owner just went to work and back on it which he said was only 5 miles and it was one of a few bikes that he had. He didn't seem like the tinkering type as he had the local dealership just take care of it. All the accessories were added by the first owner so maybe he changed them but check my speed/rpms below:
If I'm going 70 I'm around 5k rpm, at 80 I'm maybe just under 6k rpm. This is off memory so I could be off a little.
I do have soft saddlebags on there (saddlemen large teardrop) but I don't carry nearly anything and a slipstreamer stealth windscreen which I figured would streamline me just a tad at least (it's not very tall - just enough to limit body buffeting).
Stock will get you a little over 60 at 4 grand.. with one tooth down in front or 3 more in the back will get you about 55 at 4 grand.
The number of teeth is stamped on the sprockets, but sometimes on the back side.. 16/40 is stock..
5K at 70 MPH is correct.
Forgot what I was going to write....
108's would not cause this by themselves w/o the needle being rich. Greg had this kit and may be he can shed some light what position his needle was in....:idea:....in fact I believe there is a thread regarding such.
From past posts on the Dynojet kit on the Magna (here and elsewhere), not many have successfully used and tuned this kit properly. As mentioned, Greg has, but he's always the "outlier" :D
That being said, and if I recall correctly, the DJ jets are a different type and jet sizes don't correspond to the stockers, so they can't be compared. Between that and the needle taper difference, there is little in common with tuning the DJ kit vs. the stock shim/jetting. Also, if I recall correctly (notice the trend here, validate everything I say...), the standard DJ kit install instructions are incorrect in where the clip should be placed, causing it to run rich if installed like they say. I believe that the clip is supposed to be in the second slot.
Also note that the DJ kit requires drilling of the slides and cannot easily be reversed if the kit cannot be tuned correctly. I.e., new carbs or at least a donor set to take the stock slides back from.
I'm not necessarily helpful, but hopefully you can get some info from it.
Rod...
When I rejetted my Shadow I used a dyno jet stage 1 kit followed the instructions when completed it ran great got lousy gas mileage about 20 mpg I took it back apart went to the next lower jet size and moved the clip down it increased the mpgs by more than 10 mpg.
Quote from: Jerry G Turner on January 12, 2010, 07:56:00 AM
When I rejetted my Shadow I used a dyno jet stage 1 kit followed the instructions when completed it ran great got lousy gas mileage about 20 mpg I took it back apart went to the next lower jet size and moved the clip down it increased the mpgs by more than 10 mpg.
That's what I'm looking for! Cool, I'll pass this one along to my mechanic.
Cheers everyone, I'll give my mechanic a call today and see if I can get him to go back in there and do these things. This has been very helpful.
I've got this same setup on my bike and my mileage is decent. I don't keep up with the exact mpg. I hit reserve (depending on how the throttle is utilized) around 100 miles, give or take. Averaging 75-80 mph on the freeway I've hit reserve as low as 86 miles. Even on the interstate I'm still getting roughly 31 mpg. I can live with that at that speed. You should be getting much better mileage with the dynojet kit than you are. I'd be interested also in hearing what your mech has to say about it. Good luck.
I asked this question before and I don't know if it matters at all, but is this a California Emission modified bike, and will that make ANY difference in any of the settings???
Talked to my mechanic tonight.
He said if we move the clip it will make it run leaner and increase the mpgs. We could also go down to 104's from the 108's to increase the mpgs. He had already tried dialing the pilot screw (? can't remember) down to make it leaner in a quick attempt to see if that would help.
However, his concern on moving the clip or going to 104 main jets is that since I do go on the freeway often enough, I don't want to run the bike lean since it will be more be susceptible to running too hot and decreasing the engine life. If I just went around town I would be fine and I could increase my mpgs by doing this.
In fact, he leaned up the bike on Friday and I went on a 180 mile, mostly 80mph ride on Monday and just noticed this morning that there is now a large (3" diameter) blue spot on one of my pipes that wasn't there before. This is on the chrome cover/shield, not just the pipe! So, I know I need to put it back to where it was at least and not run lean again.
So, all that said, I suggested putting the stock pipes back on and adjusting the bike to run as best as possible like that with the jet kit still in there. When I bought the bike, the lad said I could take his cobra's with me and return the stocks if I wanted. He just wanted one set of pipes back and didn't care which ones. So I took both sets, the ones on the bike (stock) and his cobra's. So it's not like I went out and spent $500 on these, they were a swappable part for no extra cost. I just liked the sound :) I'd prefer to get 30mpg at least than have a louder bike, though.
Does all this sound right? My mechanic came highly recommended and said everything you had mentioned on this forum. He works on competition bikes (xc) and street bikes. Here's his site, you can see him doing those crazy large superman jumps on his xc bike (pictures) http://www.mmmechanics.net/
To my knowledge, CA emissions equipment give the same power and fuel economy as 49-state bikes.
My mechanics going to pick the bike up on Saturday morning.
Unless I hear otherwise or find something new out, I think I'm going to have him put the stocks back on, leave the jet kit in there and make it run as best as possible with that set up. The jet kit should solve the 5k rpm hesitation since it's similar to adding a shim, right? His work is under his warranty so it won't cost anything more to have him jet it correctly. And like I said, the pipes were a freebie option when I bought the bike, I can just return them.
The bike has a little more hp with these high flow pipes but the almost stock setup (now just k&N and jet kit) will be just fine, I'm sure. 20mpg isn't much fun with this small tank and I'm not about to get spend money on larger tank... yet.
Was there anything else that you would try before doing this?
QuoteThe bike has a little more hp with these high flow pipes but the almost stock setup (now just k&N and jet kit) will be just fine, I'm sure
Hard to tell, even with high flow pipes HP gain has been debatable, I think a few have even seen a loss. Power or mpg never was a problem with my wife's stock Magna, I hope the drag pipes I just put on it are not going to cause me a problem with her mpg or the way it runs. I Sure hope you get your Magan running up to it's potential with out too much trouble..
Quote from: drkngas on January 09, 2010, 04:44:40 PM
On my initial install of the Cobra Stage 1 kit to what looked correct on the Cobra instruction paper, I was getting 22mpg. I was also blowing out plenty of black smoke at full throttle. Moving the clips on the needles up one notch corrected that problem. I also have Cobra pipes and a K&N filter.
Busy lately and I have not visited the forum, thought Greg might show up, maybe busy also or out-of-pocket.
David,
As seen in the above post you should be able to work this out and keep the pipes you like. Just referencing Cobra pipes, many here have those and do not have an issue with MPG like you are experiencing but most do not have the Cobra Jet kit either. Still I believe it's not your pipes but the carb tuning that is off. I have not used this kit before as someone stated the Jets are different, I have a Mukuni Hex Conversion to Round Jets Charts but that is it.
If you decide to go back to stock pipes, the ends can be drilled for better sound we can get into with photos another time if you wish and a forum member shot video w/sound of his.
I hear what you are saying about your mechanic...not every mechanic can be an expert on all bikes and types of setups, that takes trial and error. No disrespect to the mechanic you choose but most would know if you went from 40 MPG to 20 MPG on minor tuning something is AWOL. The comment on leaning the bike out is not valid.
QuoteHowever, his concern on moving the clip or going to 104 main jets is that since I do go on the freeway often enough, I don't want to run the bike lean since it will be more be susceptible to running too hot and decreasing the engine life. If I just went around town I would be fine and I could increase my mpgs by doing this.
This is not what we are doing, leaning the bike out to proper air-fuel ratio is not going to hurt it, that will make it run as it is intended. I don't know what the 104-108 jet equates to so unable to offer any help.
Strange why you have bluing on your head pipe as you should be rich, something is amiss, if you idled for a while and your pilot circuit was turned lean it would cause that. Your pilot screw should be at a minimum 2 1/2 turns out, more like IIRC 2 7/8's -3 1/4 turns out.
Write down your settings you know the carbs are at, I have not had the time to re-read what you wrote thoroughly and give Cobra a call Friday with what is happening and your settings.
I called them for a customer once, the guy who answered was helpful, get there opinion and post back up if you have time. Ask how those jets equate to the stock jet sizes also David.
Cobra's number - (714) 692-8180 - CA Time
I could write more David but I want to keep this simple and easy. :P I did not proof read my post...could be all messed up.
Yeah, I think it was running either proper or slightly rich before he tightened the pilot screw last Friday. I had previously gone on a few 2-hr rides and it ran really good except for the mpgs. It now seems like it's running hotter than it should and the large blue spot from the single 180 mile trip I guess attests to that.
Well, I like the loud pipes but I'm not married to them, especially since I didn't pay for them! It's my daily rider and I'm not sure my neighbors appreciate them when I leave or arrive at o-dark-thirty since my apartment carport shares its wall with their patio and the sound reverbs big time, hehe. I start up and get out quickly though, no revving, that'd just be... well, no comment hehe.
Another factor for me is that this bike can't really take up much of my time or money... The mrs finally came around to me getting a bike (after years!) but our financial focus is on getting an emergency fund finished (since we're now debt free after hard work!) and our focus for our precious free time is on our family. So I don't want to spend too much time or money on the bike since it's not nearly as important as the other things in our lives. So I think I'll put the stocks back on and make sure he syncs and jets the the carbs well and hopefully that'll be it. Well, until something else happens! I'm just happy harry to even have one! It's my only wheels too so best take care of it!
Thanks for the Cobra number. I had called them before I got the kit and asked them about this stuff. They recommended what he did. I had also called dynojet and a local Honda dealership and they all recommended the same setup, except that the Honda guy recommended I stay 100% stock, hehe.
I wish I knew more detailed answered to the questions but hopefully this will get resolved this weekend.
I had posted earlier that I had changed the exhaust on my wife's Magna to drag pipes and was not sure what would happen to the mpg She was getting with everything stock. We took a quick trip to Jefferson this afternoon for a sandwich at Auntie Skinners and then back home. Our trip was 114 miles and she used 2.8 gallons (40.7 mpg) this was not however an average run, Brenda hasn't had a chance to ride in a while, and was a little wound up. Hwy 59 from Texarkana to Linden is extra wide four lane with long straight stretches and sweeping curves, Linden to Jefferson is almost as good. With the exception of Atlanta and Linden and riding around in Jefferson we run 70 to 85 out on the highway. I not sure what got into my wife coming home but we were running around eighty when she blew past me, by the time I caught up we were running about 110 when we crossed Sulfur River bridge. My point is she lost about 9 mpg over what she has been getting, but I'm not sure todays ride would fall under normal or average for checking gas mileage. :cool: As far as I'm concerned nothing below 40 mpg would be acceptable.. Just my opinion. As far as those of you who think I'm being less than truthful, well your welcome to your opinion, so knock your selves out :D :D..
Quote from: Charles S Otwell on January 18, 2010, 07:57:12 PM
I had posted earlier that I had changed the exhaust on my wife's Magna to drag pipes and was not sure what would happen to the mpg She was getting with everything stock. We took a quick trip to Jefferson this afternoon for a sandwich at Auntie Skinners and then back home. Our trip was 114 miles and she used 2.8 gallons (40.7 mpg) this was not however an average run, Brenda hasn't had a chance to ride in a while, and was a little wound up. Hwy 59 from Texarkana to Linden is extra wide four lane with long straight stretches and sweeping curves, Linden to Jefferson is almost as good. With the exception of Atlanta and Linden and riding around in Jefferson we run 70 to 85 out on the highway. I not sure what got into my wife coming home but we were running around eighty when she blew past me, by the time I caught up we were running about 110 when we crossed Sulfur River bridge. My point is she lost about 9 mpg over what she has been getting, but I'm not sure todays ride would fall under normal or average for checking gas mileage. :cool: As far as I'm concerned nothing below 40 mpg would be acceptable.. Just my opinion. As far as those of you who think I'm being less than truthful, well your welcome to your opinion, so knock your selves out :D :D..
Thanks Charles, did you adjust the jet sizes (main or idle) or do anything apart from swap out the pipes? Do you have a K&N filter in that bike? I have a K&N filter in mine and wasn't able to get it above 24mpg without it going too lean. Seems like there's just a ton of air going in and lots going out and the amount of petrol it takes to keep a proper balance brings the mpgs down considerably. We couldn't get the mpgs above 30 with my setup and when it went on the lean side I got a large, deep blue patch on my exhaust from a single 180m ride.
The bike had sat a little so we had to do an acid wash in the tank and he cleaned the carbs too. Would there be any reason associated with this for me to get such poor mpgs with cobra's and k&n with jet kit? I trust the carbs are synced properly. He's a very experienced mechanic that works on competition bikes too.
Anyroad, get the bike back on Wednesday and we'll see where we're at! Thanks for all the input, it's been a good educational process for me. Appreciate the help.
David,
One of my Magna's has Cobra pipes, the one in the photo, K&N, jetted carbs (not the Cobra Jet kit) but shimmed with 105's and I avg 38 MPG.
I was wondering where you were at with these, I was busy with work and did not check here as often as I wanted to see what you decided.
QuoteThanks Charles, did you adjust the jet sizes (main or idle) or do anything apart from swap out the pipes?
No I haven't changed anything else, it still has the stock air filter and as far as I know everything was stock when I bought it. I've only run a can of Sea Foam thru it a couple times, and only when I knew I would use the full tank in a days time. I sure hope you get your problem solved..-+
Quote from: Charles S Otwell on January 19, 2010, 09:19:03 AM
QuoteThanks Charles, did you adjust the jet sizes (main or idle) or do anything apart from swap out the pipes?
No I haven't changed anything else, it still has the stock air filter and as far as I know everything was stock when I bought it. I've only run a can of Sea Foam thru it a couple times, and only when I knew I would use the full tank in a days time. I sure hope you get your problem solved..-+
I ran a full can through it on Friday when I knew I was going to use 2 tanks. I put in a half a can for each full tank. It increased mpg's to 22 from 18-20. I wanted to run it through anyway since it's 16 years old. But who knows, maybe it ran better with that in it? I doubt it! It felt a little rougher and sounded different too while it was in there. I think I gave it a strong mix, just my style. I didn't see any white smoke. I had already had the carbs cleaned but I had this hanging around and wondered if it would clean anything else on its way through the engine!
I get the bike back on Wednesday. It will have stock pipes on it and will resynced again but I'll keep the k&n and jet kit in there. He may decrease the size of the jets now, not sure. I just know he's not going to want to work on it again under his own warranty (from a profit viewpoint) so he'll get it right! Perhaps I'll drill a hole or two into the stocks later or take out the baffles but that's another subject and another time! I'm ready to move on from the pipes for a while now!
Quote from: DavidJRoberts on January 19, 2010, 04:27:01 PM
Quote from: Charles S Otwell on January 19, 2010, 09:19:03 AM
QuoteThanks Charles, did you adjust the jet sizes (main or idle) or do anything apart from swap out the pipes?
No I haven't changed anything else, it still has the stock air filter and as far as I know everything was stock when I bought it. I've only run a can of Sea Foam thru it a couple times, and only when I knew I would use the full tank in a days time. I sure hope you get your problem solved..-+
I ran a full can through it on Friday when I knew I was going to use 2 tanks. I put in a half a can for each full tank. It increased mpg's to 22 from 18-20. I wanted to run it through anyway since it's 16 years old. But who knows, maybe it ran better with that in it? I doubt it! It felt a little rougher and sounded different too while it was in there. I think I gave it a strong mix, just my style. I didn't see any white smoke. I had already had the carbs cleaned but I had this hanging around and wondered if it would clean anything else on its way through the engine!
I get the bike back on Wednesday. It will have stock pipes on it and will resynced again but I'll keep the k&n and jet kit in there. He may decrease the size of the jets now, not sure. I just know he's not going to want to work on it again under his own warranty (from a profit viewpoint) so he'll get it right! Perhaps I'll drill a hole or two into the stocks later or take out the baffles but that's another subject and another time! I'm ready to move on from the pipes for a while now!
Switch mechanics...and bring your bike back to stock...everything.
that's what i would do.
Quote from: 1985v45Magna on January 19, 2010, 04:50:32 PM
Switch mechanics...and bring your bike back to stock...everything.
that's what i would do.
The voice of reason, you should of replied as post #2 and we could have eliminated 2 pages of energy!
Quote from: TLRam1 on January 19, 2010, 08:03:59 PM
Quote from: 1985v45Magna on January 19, 2010, 04:50:32 PM
Switch mechanics...and bring your bike back to stock...everything.
that's what i would do.
The voice of reason, you should of replied as post #2 and we could have eliminated 2 pages of energy!
LOL. :D
Those 2 pages are full of years of skill of deciphering problems and figuring them out.
My 2 cents come from frustration, inexperience, and problems yet to be solved :).
My bike was a lot worse than his before I spent $2500 putting it back into "good shape".
:-P
Quote from: 1985v45Magna on January 19, 2010, 04:50:32 PM
Switch mechanics...and bring your bike back to stock...everything.
that's what i would do.
But with the Dynajet carb kit, you can't bring it back to stock due to the drilled slides.... Without a very large expense anyway.
Quote from: 1985v45Magna on January 19, 2010, 04:50:32 PM
Switch mechanics...and bring your bike back to stock...everything.
that's what i would do.
No way back to stock. After owning a '84 700, the '96 just didn't feel right. Pipes and carbs were a necessity.
Getting the bike back tomorrow with stock pipes and the jets set to run right with them (with the kit still in there and K&n). Let's see how it runs and hopefully the mpg is above or at least at 30.
He said after he got the bike back together it felt sluggish, touched the back cylinders which were hot, then he touched the front two and they were cold. Pulled the new plugs I just put in a couple weeks ago and they were bad (he tested them). The back ones were intermittent, too. This could run into a whole new topic, he didn't know why they would have gone bad so quick. I put E3 plugs in, he'll put NGKs back in. Any idea why they would go bad so quick? Did I over tighten them? I went maybe a 1/4 turn past hand tight.
Hopefully that's not a sign of something else that costs money!
Those Plugs probably fouled because you used too much Seafoam. Half a can per tank is enough to foul your plugs, more is not better in this instance. Next time follow the instructions on the can. :-)
Quote from: Slydynbye on January 26, 2010, 05:45:23 PM
Those Plugs probably fouled because you used too much Seafoam. Half a can per tank is enough to foul your plugs, more is not better in this instance. Next time follow the instructions on the can. :-)
hehe, thanks. that'll teach me.
I know nothing of the E3 but most plugs like those IMO are mostly gimmick marketing from various reports I have read or testing. If it does help it would probably be of very little on the Magna, get a good brand name plug such as the NGK and you should not have any problems.
On a side note the Seafoam should not affect your plugs like this, I have dumped a bunch in like you, easy fixes never work for me, I always have to dive in and handle it first hand.
If the 104 Mains are similar to the 105's we use and he put those in along with proper needle adjustment you should have no problem with a much better gas mileage.
if iremember right, the dynojet sizes are not the same as the kehin (stock) jets. the 104 equates to like the stock 102 mains, or close to it. somewhere there is a jet list comparison between all the makers of jets, i'll see if i can dig it up :)
I fount this on Triumphrat forum...
Width------Keihin # -- DynoJet # -- Mikuni #
0,0350---- 92,5--------- 92----------- 86,3
0,0360---- 95----------- 94----------- 88,1
0,0370---- 97,5--------- 96----------- 90,0
0,0380---- 100---------- 98----------- 91,9
0,0390---- 102,5------- 100---------- 93,8
0,0400---- 105--------- 102---------- 95,6
0,0410---- 107,5------- 104---------- 97,5
0,0420---- 110--------- 106---------- 99,4
0,0430---- 112,5------- 108--------- 101,3
0,0440---- 115--------- 110--------- 103,1
0,0450---- 117,5------- 112--------- 105,0
0,0460---- 120--------- 114--------- 106,9
0,0470---- 122,5------- 116--------- 108,8
0,0480---- 125--------- 118--------- 110,6
0,0490---- 127,5------- 120--------- 112,5
0,0500---- 130--------- 122--------- 114,4
0,0510---- 132,5------- 124--------- 116,3
0,0520---- 135--------- 126--------- 118,1
0,0530---- 137,5------- 128--------- 120,0
0,0540---- 140--------- 130--------- 121,9
0,0550---- 142,5------- 132--------- 123,8
0,0560---- 145--------- 134--------- 125,6
0,0570---- 147,5------- 136--------- 127,5
0,0580---- 150--------- 138--------- 129,4
0,0590---- 152,5------- 140--------- 131,3
0,0600---- 155--------- 142--------- 133,1
0,0610---- 157,5------- 144--------- 135,0
0,0620---- 160--------- 146--------- 136,9
0,0630---- 162,5------- 148--------- 138,8
0,0640---- 165--------- 150--------- 140,6
0,0650---- 167,5------- 152--------- 142,5
0,0660---- 170--------- 154--------- 144,4
0,0670---- 172,5------- 156--------- 146,3
0,0680---- 175--------- 158--------- 148,1
0,0690---- 177,5------- 160--------- 150,0
0,0700---- 180--------- 162--------- 151,9
0,0710---- 182,5------- 164--------- 153,8
0,0720---- 185--------- 166--------- 155,6
0,0730---- 187,5------- 168--------- 157,5
0,0740---- 190--------- 170--------- 159,4
0,0750---- 192,5------- 172--------- 161,3
0,0760---- 195--------- 174--------- 163,1
0,0770---- 197,5------- 176--------- 165,0
0,0780---- 200--------- 178--------- 166,9
0,0790---- 202,5------- 180--------- 168,8
0,0800---- 205--------- 182--------- 170,6
0,0810---- 207,5------- 184--------- 172,5
0,0820---- 210--------- 186--------- 174,4
0,0830---- 212,5------- 188--------- 176,3
0,0840---- 215--------- 190--------- 178,1
0,0850---- 217,5------- 192--------- 180,0
0,0860---- 220--------- 194--------- 181,9
0,0870---- 222,5------- 196--------- 183,7
0,0880---- 225--------- 198--------- 185,6
0,0890---- 227,5------- 200--------- 187,5
Terry, in all your spare time, Can you get this posted up with all the other info?? It seems like a good reference..
Quote from: BA on January 26, 2010, 09:46:32 PM
I found this on Triumphrat forum...
Width------Keihin # -- DynoJet # -- Mikuni #
0,0350---- 92,5--------- 92----------- 86,3
0,0360---- 95----------- 94----------- 88,1
0,0370---- 97,5--------- 96----------- 90,0
0,0380---- 100---------- 98----------- 91,9
0,0390---- 102,5------- 100---------- 93,8
I also picked up a set of aftermarket jets that were stamped 110 (don't know exacty what brand they were), but when I sniffed the exhaust on the dyno at school, the A/F ratio was close to the Keihin 105's I had tested earlier.
Quote from: hootmon on January 26, 2010, 09:56:17 PM
Terry, in all your spare time, Can you get this posted up with all the other info?? It seems like a good reference..
Quote from: BA on January 26, 2010, 09:46:32 PM
I found this on Triumphrat forum...
Width------Keihin # -- DynoJet # -- Mikuni #
0,0350---- 92,5--------- 92----------- 86,3
0,0360---- 95----------- 94----------- 88,1
0,0370---- 97,5--------- 96----------- 90,0
0,0380---- 100---------- 98----------- 91,9
0,0390---- 102,5------- 100---------- 93,8
Hoot,
In YOUR spare time you come over to Texas and visit is when I will get it posted! :P Hoot how do we know this is correct? Is there a place you would like me to post this, want me to post your resume also? Might I get you your favorite beverage?
Great find BA.
PS. For you new guys, I'm just harassing Hoot (I can be internet tough guy with the 6'7" specimen in Florida, he can't get to me 8) ), if anyone needs something added to the FAQ just let me know.
Done, Jet Cross Reference posted here.
http://www.magnaownersoftexas.com/forums/index.php?topic=1917.msg14638#msg14638
Hey Hoot, Terry just called you a "specimen". Are you going to let him get away with that!
:lol:
Quote from: Lurkin on January 27, 2010, 09:21:19 AM
Hey Hoot, Terry just called you a "specimen". Are you going to let him get away with that!
:lol:
Ut oh (http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa214/TLRam1/Smilies/diggin_smilie.gif)
The bike is back and running smooth as guinness. No hesitation or lack of power anywhere in the rpm's. I didn't remember how quiet these bikes are with stock pipes on. No more people staring at the bike at lights and around town, I like that. I'll report on mpg and we'll close this convo out.
Thanks again for all the insight. The final setup was that each jet went one size larger than stock but he moved the clip one notch up since I still have the jet kit in there. I still have the K&N in there so I guess that's why the jets are slightly bigger. He said the needle for the main jet is shorter too. Can't remember if he said that was to get fuel in there quicker for faster response or more fuel. He dropped it off last night after a long business day so I don't remember everything. Anyway, it's extremely responsive and moves along beautifully.
Great, hope the mpg turns out as well 8)..
Quote from: Lurkin on January 27, 2010, 09:21:19 AM
Hey Hoot, Terry just called you a "specimen". Are you going to let him get away with that!
:lol:
I'm sorry.. Did Terry type something??? I make it a habit to ignore all his posts.... :shock:
Quote from: hootmon on January 28, 2010, 10:35:02 PM
Quote from: Lurkin on January 27, 2010, 09:21:19 AM
Hey Hoot, Terry just called you a "specimen". Are you going to let him get away with that!
:lol:
I'm sorry.. Did Terry type something??? I make it a habit to ignore all his posts.... :shock:
Oxymoron :shock:
Quote from: TLRam1 on January 29, 2010, 02:50:31 AM
Quote from: hootmon on January 28, 2010, 10:35:02 PM
Quote from: Lurkin on January 27, 2010, 09:21:19 AM
Hey Hoot, Terry just called you a "specimen". Are you going to let him get away with that!
:lol:
I'm sorry.. Did Terry type something??? I make it a habit to ignore all his posts.... :shock:
Oxymoron :shock:
Quite bickering guys, and let the bikes do the talking!
I'm thinking of a showdown b/w Hootmon and TLRAM1 halfway b/w Florida and Texas.
1/8 mile, quarter mile, and top speed run!
You can also play chicken...!
I always wondered that ....instead of playing chicken in cars...why not just use bicycles?
Can you imagine two bicyclists colliding head on? That would hurt just as much, and you wouldn't have to kill those nice 80s muscle cars you see in the movies (playing chicken).
:P
Can you imagine two bicyclists colliding head on?
YES I can!! When I was a young boy, me and my brother were going the opposite direction and were going to high five eachother. Our front tires ended up hitting dead on and "yanrfaaskhawasdiasopiawong-BAM" happened. (think accordian scene) :lol: Still remember it like it was yesterday. The bikes were bent up pretty good. We still laugh about that today. :grin:
I played chicken once, once, on a bike. swerved at the last second is my last memory. I woke up with people standing around me, legs tangled in my bike frame. landed on my chin. knocked out 1 tooth, cracked 2 more and knocked 6 loose. 5 stitches in my chin. funny, I never did it again. hmmmm....
Quote from: L J VFR on February 01, 2010, 08:49:36 AM
Can you imagine two bicyclists colliding head on?
YES I can!! When I was a young boy, me and my brother were going the opposite direction and were going to high five eachother. Our front tires ended up hitting dead on and "yanrfaaskhawasdiasopiawong-BAM" happened. (think accordian scene) :lol: Still remember it like it was yesterday. The bikes were bent up pretty good. We still laugh about that today. :grin:
no injuries?
Wow.
Quote from: DG on February 01, 2010, 09:44:04 AM
I played chicken once, once, on a bike. swerved at the last second is my last memory. I woke up with people standing around me, legs tangled in my bike frame. landed on my chin. knocked out 1 tooth, cracked 2 more and knocked 6 loose. 5 stitches in my chin. funny, I never did it again. hmmmm....
that's more like it.
Bikes are very easy to replace unless you live way below the poverty line.
Unlike classic muscle cars, which are always shown in the movies.
My fav muscle car --> 1974 Dodge Charger with a roots type supercharger...---> $40,000 anyone?
haha
QuoteBikes are very easy to replace unless you live way below the poverty line.
but teeth are not.
I think your price is low for that car. They are very rare.
My fav muscle car(s):
1)1970 chevy chevelle 454 SS convertible. $100,000 :shock:
2)1970 plymouth hemi cuda convertible. $200,000 :shock:
Quote from: DG on February 01, 2010, 11:46:27 AM
QuoteBikes are very easy to replace unless you live way below the poverty line.
but teeth are not.
I think your price is low for that car. They are very rare.
its my fav car.
Like in Fast and the Furious...
it is very rare, and I don't know their value so you're right.
A newspaper did an article about them because its been the favorite movie car to crash and destroy...so they're value has skyrocketed b/c very few original left.
QuoteA newspaper did an article about them because its been the favorite movie car to crash and destroy...so they're value has skyrocketed b/c very few original left.
Exactly what I heard also. I also heard that the earlier model charges were all but wiped out by the original Dukes of Hazard TV show. sad thing
Quote from: DG on February 01, 2010, 02:28:48 PM
QuoteA newspaper did an article about them because its been the favorite movie car to crash and destroy...so they're value has skyrocketed b/c very few original left.
Exactly what I heard also. I also heard that the earlier model charges were all but wiped out by the original Dukes of Hazard TV show. sad thing
So if we want to increase value of Honda Magna's, you know what needs to happen hahahaha
You first, sir --
Just be sure you don't hurt yourself in the process...
QuoteSo if we want to increase value of Honda Magna's, you know what needs to happen hahahaha
Make movies and TV shows?? ;-)
Quote from: 1985v45Magna on January 29, 2010, 07:30:36 AM
Quote from: TLRam1 on January 29, 2010, 02:50:31 AM
Quote from: hootmon on January 28, 2010, 10:35:02 PM
Quote from: Lurkin on January 27, 2010, 09:21:19 AM
Hey Hoot, Terry just called you a "specimen". Are you going to let him get away with that!
:lol:
I'm sorry.. Did Terry type something??? I make it a habit to ignore all his posts.... :shock:
Oxymoron :shock:
Quite bickering guys, and let the bikes do the talking!
I'm thinking of a showdown b/w Hootmon and TLRAM1 halfway b/w Florida and Texas.
1/8 mile, quarter mile, and top speed run!
You can also play chicken...!
I always wondered that ....instead of playing chicken in cars...why not just use bicycles?
Can you imagine two bicyclists colliding head on? That would hurt just as much, and you wouldn't have to kill those nice 80s muscle cars you see in the movies (playing chicken).
:P
We could refuse the show-down and keep ya guessing, of course this was not the first thought through my head, Texas Pride all the way, than my competitive nature. :P
But I will leave you with this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_IYTTSLsWw
So let me get this straight, you guys want to ramp a Honda magna?? :shock:
Evening,
After a number of tanks, I'm consistently getting around 24mpg since swapping to stock pipes and going smaller on the jets. I only ride 1 mile into work with a few stop lights so that's not good for mileage, then the rest of the tank is used on the motorway going to client meetings where I average around 80 (70-85 depending on traffic with spurts of 90ish+). So with those two factors I may just be getting the best I can get.
Thanks again for the insights. Figured I'd let you know what the final outcome was after riding for a month.
It rides smooth though! Just a bit of a hassle fueling up so often since I'll drive into Los Angeles or other places often enough and that's a 70 mile round trip which is one tank for me, at least reserve switching time.
:cool:
David - Sorry to hear that you're still at 24.. It should be near double that.. The least I would expect is 35.. Not sure what the issue is, but there is still an issue..
You may at some point want to get a Honda Mechanic to look at it.. I rarely recommend a Honda tech, but you definitely want to find someone that has Magna experience..
if the dynojet kit is installed, most likely is due to the slides being drilled, wrong spring on the needles, clip on the needles on the wrong position,new needle has too much taper, etc. if you are really serious about getting better mpg, i'd suggest either buying all new factory parts but that would be over $400 alone, or find a used carb rack on ebay or craigslist. i've seen them locally for $100 and on ebay for $100 to $300 for a complete carb setup.
stock, these bikes will do 45-50 mpg if you are light on the takeoffs and ride it hard once in a while. when I first got mine, I was afraid of it and would be very gentle with it and even saw 55mpg. now mine has bigger mains, shimmed needles, bigger pilot jets,taller gearing and i still have only seen mileage in the 20's when i do 80 mph+ on the freeway. i consistantly get 30 and above otherwise. hope you enjoy your magna and hope you get it corrected :)
"i still have only seen mileage in the 20's when i do 80 mph+ on the freeway."
Yeah, that's me. I'm typically riding between Los Angeles and San Diego and if you're not doing 80 in the car pool you'll get a line of cars behind you. So I'll stay 80-85 but slow down when there is traffic. I'll go up to 95 to pass sometimes. Probably need to stop doing that. My other riding is around town which is a lot of stop and go and winding it up to get away from the crazy drivers around here.
I'm fairly certain it's set up right - but I'm no mechanic, hehe, so I guess there's not much value to that statement! It doesn't seem to be running rich or lean from what I can tell. If I get the will power to go to a client meeting in the slow lane and don't get, say 35mpg then I could be wrong. At this stage, I don't mind anymore. Working on the bike is more of a distraction than a pleasure. I need to focus on a tough/changing business (and new ones), a growing family and getting our emergency fund in place.
I'll look into a taller 5th gear though. Cheers again for all your input. When I get more time (or mechanically inclined friends with time) I'll definitely tinker away with the suggestions.
At that speed constant that is good mileage and I understand about the Cali traffic LOL. Sounds like Hwy 5 LOL But sounds like you are spot on. For about a year I was going back and forth to work and it was 48 miles one way and I was filling up everyday I could go down and back up and depending on how I drove might hit reserve maybe not but I would fill up every morning on the way back down .