Well Jesse wanted me to put this out there how about a wrench session at the new house. See Tavern anyhow Saturday the 12th I will be available and if anyone wants to come out and wrench I will have the shop open for you all. I have all the tools for changing chains,oil changes, tires and carbs.
I will borrow my buddys pit I hope till I get mine built and we can have a cookout I will have refreshments.
If you are far away and want to come well got 6 acres and plenty of camping spots LOL. I will be over in Dripping Springs the 20th to pickup something and will be back that afternoon so you can show up anytime after say 3 or 4 on the 11th for the wrench session on the 12th.
I have a 3 bay shop with tools so come one and all and see the new place and fix your woes.
The doors will be open around 7 am heck before that probably so come on out and visit and wrench.
Let me know if you plan on being here so I can get a head count for food.
See you there Allen :cool:
Would love to make it up Allen. FYI, I've got a nice NoMar tire changing station as well as a motorcycle lift so if you want me to bring them let me know and I'll cage it up to your place with the aforementioned equipment.
Marc
Sounds like a great time to break out the hammock tent! Sadly I just made plans to take it into the Ozarks that weekend with a buddy from Missouri :(
Hop Along
I may cage it as well so I can finally use my motorcycle trailer in a bag and bring my ultrasonic cleaner. It has a two year warranty on it so I'd like to use the crap out of it and make sure it's going to hold up.
I also have a carb sync tool, chain brush, and a pit bull stand which is handy for cleaning chains and getting the rear wheel off the ground.
I may have a set of carbs for us to swap out on my bike but let's see what everyone else wants to do first.
For who ever is coming please PM me or shoot me an email at brit4a@lalalal yahoo.com just take out the obvious lol so I can get you my address to the house.
See you all there
You guys bring it and we will try and get it all done.
Has anyone piped up with repairs they want to do?
My radiator fan is not coming on. If I don't have this resolved by June 21st then this may be my wrenching project.
Well I am sorry guys but we will have to reschedule :-( I have to work over one of my wheelmen hurt his back and I am going to have to work that week the next date I can make it will be July 12th or 13th you guys pick.
I want to see all you guys again and work on some Magna's so do not count me out.
Again sorry guys I will make it up!!!
I think I can make that weekend. Need to do the carbs on my new to me super magna. Has that hesitation between 3 to 4 thousand rpms. Hope to see you then.
Jerry would be glad to have you is there any day better than the other Jesse said he does not care is Saturday better that's the 12th.
Yes Saturday would be best. Thanks.
Saturday it is cannot wait.
Jerry,
I'd love to see the Super Magna. I just recently worked on my 99 Magna carbs and the float bowl gaskets were in pretty bad shape.
I have found a non-stealership source for viton gaskets as well as viton tipped float needles. The viton is supposed to resist the ethanol fuel that we have now.
You might want to check this site out and see if they have similar float bowl and needles for your Super. If you're going to go through the trouble to pull your carbs off, might as well give them a good cleaning at the same time.
http://www.siriusconinc.com/pro-detail.php?pid=&product_id=1401
Thanks Jesse I will check it out.
To many dang days on the boat and Jesse messing me up LOL the wrenching is on the 12th of July lose track out here anyhow the 12th of July
Jerry,
You might also check out http://www.v4market.com. They have some of the same stuff and may have something specific for a Super Magna.
If you can get a hold of some of the rubber boots that connect the carbs to the head that may not be a bad idea either. I'm not sure how well the ones from the 80s may be doing today. They probably won't last forever. I noticed mine were pretty hard, not brittle, but they were some of the inside edges had worn/broken probably due to taking the carbs off / on because the angle can get awkward and the boots don't always get to line up perfectly.
Quote from: MagnaMan on June 10, 2014, 05:31:37 PM
Has anyone piped up with repairs they want to do?
My radiator fan is not coming on. If I don't have this resolved by June 21st then this may be my wrenching project.
Easy check.. Turn on the key, Take the wire off of the Thermistor on the left side of the radiator (Back side). Touch it to "ground" - IF the fan comes on, the Thermistor is bad.. I replaced one and discovered how easy it was to verify..
BTW, IF you are ever on a trip and have this issue, you can just short this wire to ground and the fan will run constantly (which is better than never).. If you have the time and parts, you could put it on a switch so you could just turn it on when you are stopped...
Thanks, Hootman.
I actually did exactly that... The replacement thermo switch is on order from Partszilla (for $36) and should be here Friday. I went back with an OEM switch since the previous one lasted about 15 years. There are some aftermarkets that are cheaper.
In addition to my other road traveling goodies I am going to add a small pair of electrical jumpers to my bag of tricks just for things like this fan.
I'm hoping I can swap the thermo switch out quickly (put my finger over the hole) without losing a lot of coolant or needing to drain the system. Did you have to drain the whole system or were you able to switch them out with minimal loss?
No, did like you said... I would put on a pair of latex gloves before I started (if I did this job again).
i had the same problem and found one brand new on ebay for 10 bucks. thats where i start for my parts.
A little over a 2 weeks to go whose coming let me know so I can get you an address.
I got new jets some shims and new carb boots wasn't able to get the gaskets they were unavailable looking forward to getting rid of that hesitation. See you soon
Jerry,
I'd love to bring my ultrasonic cleaner and some aluminum safe degreaser if you want to clean your carbs. It should be big enough to clean the whole bank of carbs still assembled so you won't have to separate them. We may have to flip the carbs and clean them in two passes though. Rubber and plastic are supposed to be safe for the amount of exposure time to the cleaner.
Let me know if you want to do that.
I'm planning on being there. If we have time, want to cut off the nut cages on the Valk.
Marc
Jesse it would be great if you bring your cleaner, I would be thrilled to try it out.
Thanks
Jerry.
Quote from: Marc Albea on July 01, 2014, 06:53:55 AM
I'm planning on being there. If we have time, want to cut off the nut cages on the Valk.
Poor Valk. Doesn't know what that trip to the vet is really all about, does he?
Quote from: Jerry G Turner on July 01, 2014, 02:50:10 PM
Jesse it would be great if you bring your cleaner, I would be thrilled to try it out.
Thanks
Jerry.
Jerry. I will plan on bringing my cleaner then.
Quote from: MagnaMan on July 01, 2014, 03:28:12 PM
Quote from: Marc Albea on July 01, 2014, 06:53:55 AM
I'm planning on being there. If we have time, want to cut off the nut cages on the Valk.
Poor Valk. Doesn't know what that trip to the vet is really all about, does he?
Excellent +1
I'm thinking about coming down with Jerry.
I need to get one of my Super Magnas out of mothballs and get it running (carb job as well).
Quote from: Smoked U on July 01, 2014, 11:02:29 PM
I need to get one of my Super Magnas out of mothballs and get it running (carb job as well).
Haha. "ONE". Sounds like you need a Super Magna Foster family. I volunteer.
Quote from: MagnaMan on July 03, 2014, 12:58:32 AM
Quote from: Smoked U on July 01, 2014, 11:02:29 PM
I need to get one of my Super Magnas out of mothballs and get it running (carb job as well).
Haha. "ONE". Sounds like you need a Super Magna Foster family. I volunteer.
Bro, you have no idea. It's a very serious disease around this homestead.
Holy cow, Dave -- is that your living room?
I am beginning to see why you are single...
That's actually the two car garage converted into what used to be a family room and is now my indoor work shop and motorcycle museum.
I can't put any motorcycles in the living room because the Oldhausen pool table is in the middle of the room and the cue sticks would run into the bikes during shots.
I'm still interviewing for a female "backseat", but, there won't be any females living here in the Dave Cave.
Well getting close if you plan on coming and do not have my address yet let me know and I will get it to you.
Looking forward to seeing you all.
I'll be bring my bike on the trailer so we can troubleshoot the fan switch problems I'm having. I was going to drive my cage anyway in order to bring the stuff for Jerry's carbs.
Looking forward to it.
Hope y'all have fun! Wish I could join but I'm headed out to the charity ride we do each year. This year is in West Virginia, Maryland, Pennsylvania area. Glad I just put on a new front AND a new rear tire... lean in is reeaaaaall nice :grin:
Looking forward to a Wrench Session report afterwards!!!
Hop Along
Quote from: Smoked U on July 05, 2014, 10:30:23 PM
That's actually the two car garage converted into what used to be a family room and is now my indoor work shop and motorcycle museum.
Translation... Dave has an air conditioned shop area and should be hosting more summer time wrench sessions.
Quote from: MagnaMan on July 08, 2014, 08:03:43 PM
Quote from: Smoked U on July 05, 2014, 10:30:23 PM
That's actually the two car garage converted into what used to be a family room and is now my indoor work shop and motorcycle museum.
Translation... Dave has an air conditioned shop area and should be hosting more summer time wrench sessions.
"Climate controlled"Just as soon as I get the outhouse pumped.
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Jerry and I will be heading to Conroe early Saturday morning. I will be doing a carbs on my Super as well.
My plan is to roll in about 8:00 a.m. but I can come earlier if need be. I need some help troubleshooting the fan switch / fan issues on my bike. Otherwise I'll be ready to work on some carbs.
I would guess we will be there around 9ish. Looking forward to it see y'all Saturday.
Quote from: hop along on July 07, 2014, 10:31:27 AM
Hope y'all have fun! Wish I could join but I'm headed out to the charity ride we do each year. This year is in West Virginia, Maryland, Pennsylvania area.
Are you trailering or riding to the charity ride? Sounds like fun. Hope the temps are cooler when you get there.
Riding. Taking 4 days to get to the West Virginia/Pennsylvania state line. We'll miss the first few days of the ride, but be there for second half. Every year is a different part of the country... LRLR.org is our site. We're all entertainment industry folks.
Looking like it'll be a little cooler there... but still 90's on the way :mad:
Hop Along
Getting close looking forward to seeing you all anyone else need my address shoot me a PM
See you all there. Oh and no A/C in the shop :lol:
Gonna have to back out of attending this one guys. Just came back from Chicago and it looks like I'm flying out to Narita either this evening or tomorrow. Won't be back in town until mid-week next week.
:(
Marc
Well I hope to have more so we will catch you the next time Marc.
Yeah, Marc. I was looking forward to catching up. Sounds like we'll have to another wrench session soon or an actual "ride". How about that?
Definitely a ride although another wrench session would be just fine. Still need to remove those nut cages. LOL. I can smell the rubber burning every time I hit a bump.
Marc
Almost Saturday hope you got some fans suppost to be hot tomorrow. See you tomorrow.
I have lots of fans and yeah dress cool it is a hot one LOL although the office A/C works pretty good for now 8)
Thanks for having us Allen the food and the company was awesome. Your shop is nice and with a little more time I am sure you will get it the way you want it. Jesse thanks for your help and bringing your cleaner my carbs look awesome can't wait to get them back on the bike and try them out. With luck Dave and I will be able to do that today. Looking forward to some more wrenching and maybe some rides in the future.
Thank you Allen for having us over to visit your "empire". The food was great, the cold drinks very welcome (and necessary) and the fellowship was priceless.
Good to see Jesse after several years. Thanks for your help with the Super Magna.
Jerry and i will be finishing up his Super today after a throttle breakage incident yesterday that held up the completion of the carb rebuild. It was fun having you along for the trailer ride back and forth to Conroe, Texas, bro.
He is the most interesting man in the world.
He once got in a staring contest with himself in a mirror and won.
Harley Davidsons drip a little more oil in his presence to honor him.
He doesn't use oil very often, but, when he does, he uses
Royal Purple
(and crap loads of it)
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: I had a great time, and any of my MOOT brother and sisters are welcome anytime I am home to use the shop for whatever you need. It was HOT I think the Devil was playing with us in turning up the heat but we showed him we can wrench anywhere anytime any condition.
Look forward to next time which hopefully will be real soon.
Yes, wish I could have made it.
I had a great time, yesterday. It was good seeing everyone, catching up and working on bikes.
Alan, thanks again for hosting and I look forward to seeing how you decide to plan your shop. Let us know the next time you're off the boat so we can plan another ride or wrench session.
Dave, it was good seeing you again as well and thanks for letting me ride the Super Magna.
Jerry, I am glad you let me use my new toy to clean your carbs and I'm glad you liked the outcome. The fluid is sure nice and dirty, so it must have done some good. I'll be filtering it and using it on my Ninja 250 carbs next. Let us know when you get your Magna back together and if we got that mid-range stumble fixed.
Also thanks to everyone for helping me with my bike as well.
Marc, Lawrence, and Terry, hope you can make it out next time. It would have been great to have y'all there as well.
Jerry's Super is still under construction. He and I got it back together, started it up after cleaning out the vacuum shut off valve to get the fuel flowing and it idled fine for a few minutes and died. Jerry got it started again for a few seconds then I had to crank the fuel enrichment all the way up and crack the throttle to get it to start. Next it wouldn't start at all.
We also had a coolant leak from one of the transfer tubes on the head to the block (someone apparently used the tube as a prying surface when removing the carbs in Conroe).
I threw in the towel and Jerry and I pulled the carbs back off so I could tear them down again and give them another going over. We had the carbs off in about five minutes this time by double teaming the project.
I have them back together and Jerry is chasing down the o ring seals for the transfer tube.
We will get it whipped next go round.
Dave. Did you find anything off-kilter inside Jerry's carbs?
Jesse when Dave took them back apart the only thing out of place was one of the silver covers wasn't on correctly, but it wouldn't have caused it to stop running. Dave and I discussed it and we think maybe since simple green is a soap cleaner and I didn't think to rinse and blow out the carb before we put it back together that maybe there was some soap residue still in the carb that stopped it up because it quit like it ran out of gas and didn't won't to start again. Don't know that for sure but can't think of much else hopefully when we get it back together after Dave cleaned it again using carb cleaner it will run correctly. I would suggest that when you clean carbs in your cleaner again that when you take them out spray them down real good with carb cleaner and then blow them out with an air pressure hose just as a precautionary measure. I am pretty sure that I am the one who caused the water leak prying off one of the carb boots put when I pulled out the water tube the o rings were really hard and had started cracking so it may have caused an issue in the near future any way I have some ordered and should get them in a week or so. Still looking forward to getting it back together and seeing how it runs. It was a great wrench session and I enjoyed seeing everyone again and look forward to the next event.
Jerry,
That's why I was asking. I was wondering if there may have been some water in the carbs.
However, I rinsed your carb bank off with the water spray nozzle until no more suds appeared and then dried them out with air compressor. The air compressor nozzle was missing the tiny tip so it's possible that I didn't get enough compressed air in some of the smaller passages. It's probably not a bad to try a carb cleaner flush but most everything I've read says that water and thorough compressed air drying should be sufficient. Maybe we just didn't get it all out.
As far as the rubber gaskets, I think you'll find that to be just the case on all things rubber from the 80s. Especially considering that the extreme operating temperatures of cooling system. I bet if you do this again you might be to able to use a ratchet strap to pull the carbs up using the frame instead of having to pry on anything.
Good luck.
I'm assuming that you checked the gas in the tank...
Nice and clean, not trash or water in the tank??
If it acted like it was out of gas, was there gas in the carb bowls? all of them?
The gas in the tank was good and yes we checked the carb bowls.
Well after a lot of sweat, quite a few choice words, a couple of take offs and put back on, and a couple of cleanings my magna is back up and running.
After taking off the fuel shut off valve and cleaning and checking it several times we finally just bypassed it, runs great and keeps running. Once again thanks Allen for hosting the wrench session, thanks Jesse for bring your cleaner, and thank you very much Dave for all your help and taking me back and forth to house several times. I am glad that my super is back up and running with out any hesitation. Looking forward to the next one.
Good news, thanks Jerry for the update.
Thanks for the update Jerry and Thanks again to all that came out we will have one again pretty soon maybe when it starts cooling down a bit how's that sound.
On the second cleaning, I pulled the idle air bleed screws out that you guys missed and blew out all the assemblies with brake cleaner and compressed air. The vacuum operated fuel cutoff is a PIA. This one didn't want to operate properly even with my vacuum pump so we chucked it and bypassed it with a copper line. You just always got to remember to shut the petcock off when you park it.
The cap on one of the vacuum diaphragms for the metering rods was on wrong, so that one wasn't going to lift under acceleration.
Anyway, patience paid off finally and we got the Super running like the champ that it is.
Jerry, I'm glad Dave was able to get you up and running. Dave, thanks a bunch for helping him.
Jerry, I don't recall being around for assembling all of the vacuum slides so I'm sorry I wasn't there to provide a second set of eyes. Or if I was... I didn't do a very good job. LOL.
I just recently pulled and cleaned my Ninja 250 carbs using my ultrasonic cleaner and they came out like a champ using the same process of rinsing and compressed air drying. I put them back on the bike this weekend and got them fully synced up last night. The bike appears to be running very smoothly now. We'll see.
Eventually I will place my original carbs back on my Magna and see how the ultrasonic cleaner did on them as well. But after your carbs I am paying extra attention during the rinsing and drying. :-o
I'll bring my carb sync tool to the next session and we can try them on the bike. I have bench synced two sets of carbs now using the identical size drill bit method and I find they still need adjustment once they're on the bike. Now I could be doing it wrong but I have read there is always some variation on the bike simply due to age and valve clearances, etc. The Ninja 250 in particular was much more susceptible to the carb difference than I have found Magnas to be. Probably because there's not a lot of fudge factor on that motor. It immensely ran better after dialing the carbs closer.
Sounds great Jesse. I'm looking forward to it.