HELLO GANG. MY QUESTION IS WHICH AFTERMARKET EXHAUST SOUNDS THE BEST. VANCE AND HINES OR COBRA? IVE HEARD MIXED REVIEWS OF BOTH. ANY ONE HAVE ANY INPUT ON EITHER? I HAVE ALSO HEARD THAT THE JARDINES ARE EXTREMELY LOUD. I AM LOOKING TO CHANGE FROM STOCK EXHAUST SOON TO SOMETHING ELSE. I KNOW THERE WILL BE MIXED REVIEWS HOWEVER, IS THERE ANY PERFORMANCE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO AS WELL? THANKS, LANCE
That is a well debated question that can only be answered by the individual owner..
V & H
Cobra (few different styles to choose from)
Jardine's
SuperTrapps
HardChrome
etc.
I have had both Cobras and V&H's.
To me there are worlds of differences between the quality and fit & finish.
Cobras didn't fit as well, chrome scratched easy, welds were not as nice, sound was more like "just noise".
V&H's, chrome was better, welds nicer, more pieces to install but the fit was better in regards to passenger peg room ( Cobras were more in the way of the passenger boot heals, I do have the peg extensions on), sound is a nice throatier tone.
Cobra makes other fine products just these pipes are not one of them for the Magna. If you find a good deal on Cobras, get them, a step in the right direction if you want aftermarket pipes. You can always resell.
I bought Cobras not as a step but as a final pipe but not pleased so tried the V&H, nothing bad I have found.
Jardines- I don't know nor the others Greg listed for the Magna. I have heard Hard Chrome on another bike that sounded pretty good.
I run the jardine drags; they sound good, but are loud, especially for a passinger. I went with the jardines because of all the varmits I was dodging at night around here, believe it or not, they helped; deer scatter before I get there. Just more fodder for the loud pipes save lives theory; they may or may not on the highway, but I believe they do out in the sticks at night.
"HEAR" real soon, I should know what the SuperTrapps I put on the "Project 96" sound like.. Hopefully later tomorrow or this weekend to be exact.
I have GOT to get this bike finished SOON! Any helpers? :lol:
Quote from: Greg Cothern on March 26, 2008, 08:38:48 PM
Any helpers? :lol:
I think I have to be going now.... :P :P
Yeah, me too.................I have a dental appointment I've got to get to.
THANKS GUYS FOR ALL INPUT. I'LL DEFINITELY TAKE NOTES AND DECIDE WHICH WAY TO GO FROM HERE. SOUNDS LIKE MAYBE VANCE AND HINES BUT LIKE JOHN SAID "LOUD PIPES SAVE LIVES" SO MAYBE TAKE IN JARDINE DRAGS FOR CONSIDERAION. THANKS AGAIN, LANCE
Quote from: Greg Cothern on March 26, 2008, 08:38:48 PM
"HEAR" real soon, I should know what the SuperTrapps I put on the "Project 96" sound like.. Hopefully later tomorrow or this weekend to be exact.
I have GOT to get this bike finished SOON! Any helpers? :lol:
Would LOVE too, if our schedules can coincide...!!!
A LOUD horn saves more lives! My airhorn has caught much more attention when needed than any exhaust system I have run.
If you can find Jardine Slip on Drags anywhere can you please let me know, I've been searching for them for over a month now but they've been discontinued and i can't find a single wholesaler or parts retailer with one set lying around still.
What model?
Here are a few, I think you would be missing one though, 3 out of 4
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/JARDINE-VF750C-MAGNA-RUMBLER-DRAG-PIPES-LEFT-SIDE-USED_W0QQitemZ230182584351QQihZ013QQcategoryZ35596QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1638Q2em118Q2el1247
eBay Motors: JARDINE VF750C MAGNA RUMBLER DRAG PIPES LEFT SIDE USED (item 230182584351 end time Jun-13-08 10:00:42 PDT)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/JARDINE-VF750C-MAGNA-RUMBLER-RIGHT-UPPER-DRAG-PIPE-USED_W0QQitemZ230182904247QQihZ013QQcategoryZ35596QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1638Q2em118Q2el1247
eBay Motors: JARDINE VF750C MAGNA RUMBLER RIGHT UPPER DRAG PIPE USED (item 230182904247 end time Jun-14-08 09:56:00 PDT)
Awesome thank you so much those are the pipes I've been scouring Craigslist and eBay for but i didn't find any, now if i can only find the last one to complete set. Anyone got a Jardine Rumbler Right Lower Drag Pipe they want to sell?? :grin:
I have the Jardines on my 82. They sound great and arn't too loud.
I have the Jardine Megaphones and they are pretty loud my next pipes will be the Trapps love the sound !!!!
I haven't seen a decent shot of the megaphone exhaust yet, if you could post a nice shot of them on your bike I'd appreciate it.
There ya go hope that works
(http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x35/roboto65/DSC00014.jpg)
Thanks I really appreciate it, they look very nice they look pretty similar to the rumblers.
I can still buy those from my local dealer which is a plus :)
Allen,
Can you email or post a pic of your windshield clamp to me?
I was given an older HB mount shield but the mounts might hurt my chrome on my vintage bikes.
I am anxious to hear the many different types of exhaust at MOOTmag!!! Mine is stock and the only type I have heard so far is cobra's. So until then, saving up the $$ for a new set!!! Lance
I do not have any right now except this one (http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x35/roboto65/DSC00158.jpg)with me and I am stuck on the boat as soon as I get off the boat I will get a pic I have a Memphis Shade hellcat shield with clamps that go on the handlebars !!
Thanks Allen,
The old style tightens a cone shape with increasing diameter ridges I am afraid will cut into my chrome handlebars......hmm, wonder if those mounts would work on my shield.
Could always get a strip of 1/8 inch rubber and cut to the width of the clamp, that way it wont wreck the chrome. Could even use the the rubber from a inner-tube if you really needed to save a buck.
I'm curious how many people have tried or attempted the Mod #2 for stock exhaust? I was thinking has anyone tried taking it a step further and just removing the steel end plate entirely from the stock exhaust? whats it sound like? hows the bike run?
I was thinking of using a dremel with a cutoff disc, and then some grinding bits to smooth it out.
Just throwing it out there, I'm sure I'm not the only one thats thought of it.
I have tried it stock, with the end plates completely out and with just the resonators cut off and the end plates reinstalled. I like the last best. With the plates completely out, It roars so loud at about seventy It starts getting to me after about ten or fifteen minutes. with the resonators cut off right in front of the end plates it sounds pretty good when your getting on it but settles down when you level off at cruising speed. You can drill out the rivets and remove the end plates to see how it sounds, they are easy to reinstall with new rivets or even self tapping bolts. This is just my personal opinion on the mods, I'm sure you'll get more to come..
I listened to one with the endplates out, not a pretty sound. It was sitting and revved a bit so riding might be different.
There is a true baffle plate further up into the muffler housing that you can drill out, but will take a VERY long drill bit. You can leave all other parts stock.. I have yet to do this mod but have a couple sets of well "USED" mufflers for testing, but been too busy (LAZY) to actually find a drill bit (or extension) long enough to reach the baffle plate.
I was thinking of removing the steel end plates for the look more then the sound, so they would look like slash cut after market pipes. I was only concerned about how much back pressure the bike might lose, by having no restriction past the baffles.
Good Day!
First, I'd just like to say that this is a great forum; I've been searching/reading through several Magna forums and have found some great information here. I am, however, looking for a little more specific info on different pipes for a '95 Magna.
The previous owner of the bike has performed a muffler mod - I'm not sure which one. The end of my mufflers don't have the smaller pipe sticking out of the endplate; when you look inside the pipes, it looks like the endplates have been riveted back on without any sort of baffling at all. I find it extremely loud and under acceleration it makes a tinny, open 'blah' sound with a heavy drone at speed. On deceleration the bike makes a 'blaaaahh', pop-pop-pop-pop-pop, 'grrrrrrrrr' - I suspect that these things are basically straight pipes; I couldn't imagine them being louder unless I tore the pipes off all together.
What I'm wondering is, what are the quietest aftermarket pipes to dial this down? A list of pipes and their relative loudness would be great. From what I've read, most folks are saying Stock/V&H/Jardines – I'm not sure where Cobra's [drags/slashcuts] fit in there.
Thanks for your help guys, I know pipe questions abound in the forums, I've just never seen a list of relative noise.
Regards,
Jimmy
Stock mufflers are the quiet'est, all others are going to be louder by a good margin.
Sounds like you need to find someone wanting to do the muffler mod and swap endplates with them. Or simply find unaltered endplates.
My buddy has cobra slash cut on his 94 Magna and they are not that loud. Little higher pitch. The bad is that if you don't keep up with the chrome it will blue and yellow.
I have V&H on my 99 and they are loud but not too loud. Deeper tone. I like them but would like to make them a little louder
As far as I know the jardine drags are the loudest.
Quote from: JimmyT on August 07, 2008, 11:24:48 AM
What I'm wondering is, what are the quietest aftermarket pipes to dial this down?
Thanks for your help guys, I know pipe questions abound in the forums, I've just never seen a list of relative noise.
Regards,
Jimmy
I am not aware of quiet aftermarket pipes, what you need to stick with is stock pipes with no mods. If you can swap endplates as Greg mentioned or find some beat up pipes with good end plates including the baffle.
Thanks for the feedback guys, much appreciated. I've fired off a couple of emails to various wreckers to see if I can source a set of used pipes to rob the baffles from.
Considering that I'm basically running straight pipes [stockers without any baffling], would all aftermarket pipes with baffles still be louder.
My guess would be no. The Cobras with baffles would be quieter than un baffled stockers since you basically running straight pipe.
I don't believe the pipes are as straight through as you might think. There are metal plates inside the exhaust has to bounce up and over for tuning/back pressure than you have end-plates with a smaller outlet hole.
Aftermarket will have a better sound and different pitch of sound. Loudness might depend on who's listening.
Listen to this, it's what stock sounds like.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXWkwUTY05Q&feature=related
Wow, thanks for the link, now THAT's quiet!
I'm going to keep digging around for some stock baffles however, I was wondering if anyone has experience performing the 'un-mod' as explained here: http://www.magnaownersoftexas.com/tips.htm#A1.27 (http://www.magnaownersoftexas.com/tips.htm#A1.27)
From what it sounds like in the write-up, because the 3/4" pipe inserts into the end of the left over baffle I'd have to shim the copper pipe at the endplate [I have no baffle protruding so the ID is going to be a little larger], but this sounds like a cheap and quick fix - if it works?
I'm thinkin' it wouldn't be as quiet as stock, but right now it's pretty extreme.
Here is my Project 96 with SuperTrapps.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsWJaZbuVzI
Beautiful tone on those SuperTrapps, sweet ride - thanks for the link! 8)
Quote from: Greg Cothern on August 08, 2008, 12:34:06 PM
Here is my Project 96 with SuperTrapps.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsWJaZbuVzI
I guess the "Edited" part was "Cut" where the friend dumps the bike. :-P
Most of you know what the insides of the muffler looks like, for those who may not have removed the end plate yet here are a couple of pics, the first pic is of the end plate with the resonator cut off and the tail of the resonator also cut off. Each cut you make will change the sound, first the tail piece, then the resonator and loudest of all is with the endplate completely removed. The second pic is looking up the end of the muffler where you can see the last baffle, it is welded in, a closer look and you'll see a second baffle behind that one. from the welds on the muffler there are probably at least two or three ( I've haven't cut one apart yet to see) I may be wrong but I believe this is the baffle Greg has talked about drilling out, correct me if I'm wrong Greg.
PS if anyone has cut a third gen muffler open from one end to the other I would be interested in seeing a pic of it.
(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n99/oldman_05/IMG_2471.jpg)
(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n99/oldman_05/IMG_2469.jpg)
Great posting that again Charles, may help him when he tries to do something with his endcaps.
That's excellent, thanks for the pics Charles! 8-)