:evil: Im going to try to dark side my Magna
KUMHO 165/80R15
POWER STAR 75887T BSW $ 67.00
Tread Depth: 9mm
Load Capacity: 1199lbs
Performance Rating:T
Maximum PSI: 35
Tire Weight: 16.7lbs
Overall Diameter: 25.4 in
UTQG Rating: 400 A B
Section Width: 6.5in
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Going for straight-line performance, Len? :lol:
I'm not big into pushing the limits so I will be watching your experience with the tire. Will you need to modify anything to put it on. Brenda is wanting to ride to Montana next year and I would like a tire that will last more then 12 months.
People ask me about money saving with a bike. I tell them the price of your tires is the biggest killer of money savings. (Chroming everything in sight, accessaries, modifications, apparel and the extra, fun rides around town). So if you are looking just for saving gas get a car that gets great gas milage and stay warm and dry and not a bike. :lol:
so far all measurments and clearances are good.
the Kumho tire is 1" bigger in diameter than a new stock dunlop i have in my garage.
It is also 3/4" wider 3/8" on each side so the 1/4" clearance to my break stay is a problem.
I'll probably buy a cyclistic mod for that eventually. may just bend the factory one a bit.
As for performance i'm not a curve eater. I use my bike more for back and forth to work so I wear the centers pretty fast.
If anyone has a spare rear rim. i'll buy the tire and have it mounted. we can each take turns seeing how it feels if yall would like.
Heck I'm game to buy a extra rim for the test.
That way I can put my factory dunlop on the original rim as a back up.
Later i can have the extra rim chromed 8-) :cool:
I don't know if the tire you are considering has a directional tread, but you may want to consider one. The word is that the tires with directional tread perform better, and my experience with this last car tire seems to confirm it. I like the Toyo sport radil (directional) better than the Vanco I just bought.
Curtis
I'd be scared to ride a bike with that thing on it. How are you going to lean into a turn?
On a positive note, you might not have to use your kickstand. :D
What are you going to do with that new stock dunlop?
QuoteI'd be scared to ride a bike with that thing on it. How are you going to lean into a turn?
Ask Curtis he has one on his Valk!!!! :cool: :cool:
Quote from: seratt on October 13, 2008, 10:23:12 AM
I'd be scared to ride a bike with that thing on it. How are you going to lean into a turn?
On a positive note, you might not have to use your kickstand. :D
That would be funny to see. :lol:
Quote from: Jester on October 13, 2008, 11:58:16 AM
What are you going to do with that new stock dunlop?
Well I would like to get another rear rim. That way i can swap out for comparison.
Maybe even let others try it out for a feel. :cool: :idea:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1994-94-honda-vf750c-magna-rear-wheel-rim-vf750_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1638Q2em118Q2el1247QQcategoryZ35601QQihZ014QQitemZ330257375064QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWD1V
Kinda pricey but has a Make Offer Tab too !!!!
Quote from: seratt on October 13, 2008, 10:23:12 AM
I'd be scared to ride a bike with that thing on it. How are you going to lean into a turn?
On a positive note, you might not have to use your kickstand. :D
...........leans just fine, thank you! :) And it grips like mad in the turns or on a hard launch!
(http://mysite.verizon.net/res184gd/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/IMG_1337_3_1.JPG)
As you can see, a car tire is not "square", it has a profile, just not as much as a MC tire. It won't stand up on its own even with just the wheel, much less hold the bike upright.
(http://mysite.verizon.net/res184gd/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/IMG_1344_10_1.JPG)
My other one handles the curves great too, but since it is a 55 series tire it lowers the bike some and I don't have as much cornering clearance as the most recent one.
(http://mysite.verizon.net/res184gd/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/img_0436_2_1.jpg)
Curtis
Quote from: roboto65 on October 13, 2008, 04:40:25 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1994-94-honda-vf750c-magna-rear-wheel-rim-vf750_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1638Q2em118Q2el1247QQcategoryZ35601QQihZ014QQitemZ330257375064QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWD1V
Kinda pricey but has a Make Offer Tab too !!!!
did you see the shipping price. $50
What is a decent price for a rear wheel?
I have it mounted..... Kind of..... :sad: trying to get the bead to seat correctly.
On the plus side it didn't require a break stay mod. I have 3/8" clearance between tire and break stay.
Don't rush out just yet to get you one. I'm still working out some bugs :shock:
One thing, my $67 tire cost me $97. Kaufman tire charged me for installation even though it was a carry out.
The counter guy told me it was "Store policy" I'll be soapboxing about that soon enough with Kaufman Tire corporate and then the BBB :evil:.
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Quote from: roboto65 on October 13, 2008, 04:40:25 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1994-94-honda-vf750c-magna-rear-wheel-rim-vf750_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1638Q2em118Q2el1247QQcategoryZ35601QQihZ014QQitemZ330257375064QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWD1V
Kinda pricey but has a Make Offer Tab too !!!!
yea i saw it i/m going to keep an eye on it.
Quote from: Len Averyt on October 13, 2008, 10:30:44 PM
Kaufman tire charged me for installation even though it was a carry out.
OK install it then.
Quote from: Curtis_Valk on October 13, 2008, 06:02:27 PM
Quote from: seratt on October 13, 2008, 10:23:12 AM
I'd be scared to ride a bike with that thing on it. How are you going to lean into a turn?
On a positive note, you might not have to use your kickstand. :D
...........leans just fine, thank you! :) And it grips like mad in the turns or on a hard launch!
(http://mysite.verizon.net/res184gd/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/IMG_1337_3_1.JPG)
As you can see, a car tire is not "square", it has a profile, just not as much as a MC tire. It won't stand up on its own even with just the wheel, much less hold the bike upright.
(http://mysite.verizon.net/res184gd/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/IMG_1344_10_1.JPG)
My other one handles the curves great too, but since it is a 55 series tire it lowers the bike some and I don't have as much cornering clearance as the most recent one.
(http://mysite.verizon.net/res184gd/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/img_0436_2_1.jpg)
Curtis
I would have never guessed that would handle ok. Thanks for the pics Curtis! Looks good!
QuoteOne thing, my $67 tire cost me $97. Kaufman tire charged me for installation even though it was a carry out.
The counter guy told me it was "Store policy" I'll be soapboxing about that soon enough with Kaufman Tire corporate and then the BBB Evil or Very Mad.
Follow thru.
If you have a copy of the price & info and paid with a credit card open a dispute for the 30 dollars overcharge. Show them Your policy for not paying for services not rendered.
Quote from: TLRam1 on October 14, 2008, 01:48:48 AM
QuoteIf you have a copy of the price & info and paid with a credit card open a dispute for the 30 dollars overcharge. Show them Your policy for not paying for services not rendered.
Oh i'm going to give somebody and earfull at Kaufman Tire corporate :evil: :!:
If i dont get satisfaction, i'll do them like I have done Netgear.
http://www.techknowman.com/Electronics/NETGEAR_SC101/index.html :-x
Hey Curtis, Do you tow that boat with your valk? :lol:
QuoteHey Curtis, Do you tow that boat with your valk?
As far as anyone knows! :P Actually I sold it a couple of months ago, kids are grown and I've moved on.
I've got two trailers I do tow though:
(http://mysite.verizon.net/res184gd/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/IMG_0921_2_1.JPG)
(http://mysite.verizon.net/res184gd/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/rightside1.jpg)
Curtis
Can you hook both them trailers together?
Curtis could hook them together, but that would make the Valk a Locomotive and Curtis just plain Loco :lol:
Quote from: hootmon on October 14, 2008, 06:04:38 PM
Curtis could hook them together, but that would make the Valk a Locomotive and Curtis just plain Loco :lol:
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!! That was a good one!! :shock: :mrgreen: ;) :-o
Jerry, no but the idea has crossed my mind!
Curtis
I have tryed everything I can think of to get that darn tire to seat on the rim.
The problem seams to be the ridge in the rim and the softness of the car tire conspiring to beat me. :sad:
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Len,
You can try (if you haven't) to put a tie down strap around the middle of the tread with tension than air up the tire. How many PSI are you trying?
Quote from: TLRam1 on October 15, 2008, 12:02:11 AM
You can try (if you haven't) to put a tie down strap around the middle of the tread with tension than air up the tire. How many PSI are you trying?
I went up to 85PSI.
But the strap around the center is one thing I didnt try. I'll give it a try. Thanks
85 PSI is pretty good, make sure you put tire changing lube or a little soapy water (some do not like using soapy water) on the bead.
:-P :-P HAPPY HAPPY JOY JOY :-P :-P
The Magna Dark Side Project is a success
I FINALLY got the tire to seat on the rim..........
It would not be a project for the faint of heart.
I pulled the tire back off the rim. checked and re checked measurements.
The moto tire was 14.8" in diameter
The car tire was 14.95" in diameter.. Should go on easy..."NOT"
Anyway I polished the heck out of the rim.
Applied very soapy water and put 90PSI on the tire..Nothing.
95.. Nope.
105..Nope.
110..Nope
120.. :shock: All my compressor would give... :shock: POP followed a few minutes later by a second pop.
Then I rapidly deflated back down to normal ranges...
Reinstalled the tire on the bike set tire at 25PSI rode around. too soft.
32 just right :cool:
It has a lot smoother street ride so far and grips really good. I rev ed her to close to red line and gave the clutch hell and on asphalt road it surgged the bike forward and no peel out.
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Now I can get on my soapbox and give kaufman tire some words.
I'll probably put a page up on my web site this weekend.
Quote from: Len Averyt on October 15, 2008, 08:40:21 PM
:-P :-P HAPPY HAPPY JOY JOY :-P :-P
The Magna Dark Side Project is a success
<snip>
Reinstalled the tire on the bike set tire at 25PSI rode around. too soft.
32 just right :cool:
It has a lot smoother street ride so far and grips really good. I rev ed her to close to red line and gave the clutch hell and on asphalt road it surgged the bike forward and no peel out.
AWESOME!!! Glad to hear the good news. Yes, the car tire smooths out the high frequency bumps quite well. I'll have to get up there for a test ride soon!
Curtis
Quote from: Len Averyt on October 15, 2008, 08:40:21 PM
I rev ed her to close to red line and gave the clutch hell and on asphalt road it surgged the bike forward and no peel out.
Two things.
(1) Did you say from a stop you took off from near redline?
(2) Balancing, will you be using the ceramic balls, you have a balancing set up and weights, or will you be take it to a shop and have them balance it?
Looks Good
Quote from: Magnum Magna on October 15, 2008, 10:06:00 PM
Two things.
(1) Did you say from a stop you took off from near redline?
(2) Balancing, will you be using the ceramic balls, you have a balancing set up and weights, or will you be take it to a shop and have them balance it?
Yep near red line 8k> i wasn't paying real close attention was hang-in on :D
I did the bubba balance.
I noticed when I was polishing the rim that it always would turn where the wheel weight was at the lowest point.
Once the tire was on, I took the wheel weight off and spun the tire and rim.
When the tire finished moving, trying more than once to verify heavy side, I placed the weight opposite the heavy side.
Now it stops randomly. So must be close. I'll know more when I get it out on the open road a bit.
I may take it and have it pro done.
QuoteNow it stops randomly. So must be close. I'll know more when I get it out on the open road a bit.
I may take it and have it pro done.
I did the bubba balance on my first car tire. I got lucky and it stopped randomly with all of the weights off. I think if it stops randomly, you should be good. I noticed the red balance dot in your pictures. I can't remember which but that dot marks either the light side of the tire or the heavy side. Depending on which, you usually either put it opposite the valve stem or next to it for best balance. Of course since you are past that point I wouldn't worry about it. I just mentioned it for next time.
As an aside, that's the only thing I don't like about Avon tires........they don't give you a balance dot. I have had Avons that took quite a bit of weight to balance out.
Curtis
On M/C tires you line the Dot with the stem as the lightest part.
can you say that in a way that someone who has never done it before might understand?
This MAY help
http://www.fjr1300.info/howto/tirechange.html (http://www.fjr1300.info/howto/tirechange.html)
Quote from: Jester on October 17, 2008, 11:05:29 AM
can you say that in a way that someone who has never done it before might understand?
What part did you not understand, the Dot part?
There is a Dot on the sidewall of the tire which represents the lightest part of the tire. When mounting your tire you place the Dot inline with your valve stem as your valve stem adds weight to your rim.
So heavy part of your rim matched with the lightest part of your tire.
Well i got it almost 180 out i am noticing a bit of a wobble at 45mph but at highway speeds its smooth.
I think I now know what causes the rear tires to wear out quick.
Lose traction. it now seems with the car tire accelerating around a corner the bike responds quicker.
Quote from: Len Averyt on October 17, 2008, 07:04:23 PM
Well i got it almost 180 out i am noticing a bit of a wobble at 45mph but at highway speeds its smooth.
I think I now know what causes the rear tires to wear out quick.
Lose traction. it now seems with the car tire accelerating around a corner the bike responds quicker.
Dump some Dyna-beads in there and it will be smooth as glass.
Curtis
If they cant fit through the valve stem, it AIN'T happin in. I'm not breaking it off the rim :shock:.
NO NO NO. Not going to do it. Wouldn't be prudent. :lol:
No rides this weekend? dang it.... Grrr want to play with my new toy.
Yeah, the Dyna-beads go in through the stem you just have to remove the core. http://www.innovativebalancing.com/ I've got two ounces ready to go here at the house. If you're in this part of town next week give me a call and we can put them in for ya.
No rides this weekend, I have family reunion in Corsicana.
Curtis
All the brake work, made me start thinking. How is the hard breaking. I would think the tire is a little heavier and locking the tire up could be harder but in turn that could work like anti-lock brakes and stop you quicker. :lol:
Yeah Len;
How are things going with the tire... Give us some more details..
What would you do different?? Uni-directional tire as suggested?
Does the size you install seem to be the right choice?
etc..
Quote from: Magnum Magna on October 19, 2008, 11:53:45 PM
All the brake work, made me start thinking. How is the hard breaking. I would think the tire is a little heavier and locking the tire up could be harder but in turn that could work like anti-lock brakes and stop you quicker. :lol:
Well i don't know about stopping quicker. One thing is for sure, it howls like a beat dog when it does lock up :shock: not the quiet skidding sound before like before.
Quote from: hootmon on October 20, 2008, 01:42:58 PM
How are things going with the tire... Give us some more details..
What would you do different?? Uni-directional tire as suggested?
Does the size you install seem to be the right choice?
etc..
So far i have put over 200 miles on the tire and this is what i have noticed.
I have noticed a 500 rpm drop at 70mph (4500rpm+/-) use to be closer to 5K
Much smother ride over rough blacktop.
haven't noticed any gain or loss in maneuvering at speed.
Bike seams to roll easier when pushing back out of my driveway / garage. (Could just be a mental thing 8-))
As for the size, i like it. it gives it a neat look.
however the taller size does change the front to rear height. I have my springs at full height to compensate for my...Well...um.. heavy arse. :lol:
Len;
If you are happy with your experience you may want to update the below website...
I'm guessing this is where the Subject Referrence came from .. But here it is for everyone else..
http://darkside.nwff.info/ (http://darkside.nwff.info/)
BTW - On the safety link -
Kumho 195/65/R15 89H At 110 psi IT BLEW UP!
You may want to read - "A word about SAFETY!!!"
Hey Len, you've got some company: http://forums.delphiforums.com/DarkSiding/messages?msg=585.1 (http://forums.delphiforums.com/DarkSiding/messages?msg=585.1)
Curtis
Quote from: Curtis_Valk on October 23, 2008, 09:47:56 PM
Hey Len, you've got some company: http://forums.delphiforums.com/DarkSiding/messages?msg=585.1 (http://forums.delphiforums.com/DarkSiding/messages?msg=585.1)
Curtis
That person reports
Ordered the BF Goodrich T/A Radial 155/80R-15 today!!!
Evans Tire.... pick up tomorrow! $85
"Had the BF Goodrich 155/80R-15 T/A Radial installed on the '94 Magna VF750!
Just got back from picking it up.. only rode the 10 miles from the shop to home, but feels like it's gonna be perfect!
Tire seated at 70 psi. Max pressure is 35... starting out at 32 psi."
Hmm, A radial matched with a bias.
I might be willing to give one a shot.
I do wonder about cornering, with the edge being boxier I would think it would want to lay over all of a sudden if your not use to it and will it grip well on corners and in wet weather. What's the percentage of rubber on the ground verses the a stock rounded profile? How many miles can you get out of one?
Now I can only speak from my Valk experience mind you, but.........
QuoteI would think it would want to lay over all of a sudden
Actually the opposite is true, the bike wants to stand up since the contact patch is further off center than it would be with a MC tire.
Quotewill it grip well on corners and in wet weather.
Very well. The car tire has increased my confidence in wet weather. I no longer have to be so gentle with the throttle while leaned. And I'm talking about the slimey, oily city streets at intersections.
QuoteWhat's the percentage of rubber on the ground verses the a stock rounded profile?
In every example that I have seen, the contact patch when leaned over for the CT is still larger than the MC tire at any attitude.
Hope this helps,
Curtis
Curtis, Do you think the auto rubber is as sticky as MC rubber? How many miles on a tire?
Curtis and Dave, this is what you need to mount on your tourpak. (http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa214/TLRam1/Smilies/icon_bigun.gif) I'll lead, 8-).
So, are the folks who design and market MC tires misinformed, or are they playing to our collective ignorance? :???:
Quote from: Curtis_Valk on October 23, 2008, 09:47:56 PM
Hey Len, you've got some company: http://forums.delphiforums.com/DarkSiding/messages?msg=585.1 (http://forums.delphiforums.com/DarkSiding/messages?msg=585.1)
Well theres plenty of room. :smile:
Quote from: TLRam1 on October 24, 2008, 12:51:18 PM
Curtis, Do you think the auto rubber is as sticky as MC rubber? How many miles on a tire?
It seems stickier to me, but it may just be the increased contact patch. On dry pavement and turning right off of a side street into traffic for instance, I don't have to wait until the bike is straight before cranking the throttle hard. Considering the torque of the Valk in first gear, that's saying a lot. On hard level launches I can still spin the tire, but it's still trying to claw its way forward. In fact on the "big" Valk it's trying to spin the rear tire and lift the front one at the same time.
I cannot report personally on mileage. Others are reporting 20k miles at the very least from their car tire and some over 30k. That's one thing I find amusing about some of the arguments/discussions between proponents and nay-sayers. Many on both sides think it is purely about saving money. For me personally, I went Dark side only out of curiosity and then stayed dark side because of the increased performance (especially on city streets with quick turns, lane changes and frequently wet, oily pavment). Ironically I was reluctant to go Darkside on my full touring Valk even though it gets the most highway miles. The car tire works you a bit harder as far as input into the handlebars goes. The Valk takes a firm hand anyway and I wanted to keep the neutral feel for more relaxed touring. Bottom line is that I find the car tire will do anything the MC tire will do, it just takes a bit more rider input.
Curtis
Quote from: lragan on October 24, 2008, 02:45:55 PM
So, are the folks who design and market MC tires misinformed, or are they playing to our collective ignorance? :???:
A very valid question. I don't know where this will eventually go (market-wise) but right now I think it is still under the radar. I wouldn't be surprised if liability concerns alone keep any innovation of this type squelched.
Could they make a better MC tire? I'm convinced they could and can, but have no reason to. We are a captive market. The only innovation has been in rubber compounds and tire construction in the racing market. How much of that innovation has made it to the street, except in the form of sport bike tires? Here is a quote from Daniel Meyer who sums it up pretty well:
25 years ago, a tire for my car cost $35 and lasted about 30,000 miles. Occasional failures of tread or bead/such were expected, but not frequent.
Today, a tire for my car costs $90 and lasts 70,000 miles. Failures are unacceptable and very unusual and are covered by extensive warranties. We've tripled the price and more than doubled the miles. In addition the technologies have made them handle better in cornering, wet-traction, braking, and heat-shed than ever before.
By contrast, 25 years ago, a tire for my motorcycle cost about $20 and I could expect it to last 8000-10,000 miles. Failures were common and there was no warranty coverage beyond the first install. The tire maker would provide instructions and materials on the safest and permanent way to repair a simple puncture.
Today, a tire for my motorcycle costs just over $200 and I can only expect it to last 8000-10,000 miles. The price is 10 times higher and I can expect no additional miles. Failures are frequent and there is no warranty coverage beyond that it will hold air when you first install it. The manufacturers will look you in the eye and inform you that there is no-way, no-how that a single puncture can be repaired-throw the tire away. Although there have been technology improvements in the super-gummy race-bike tires, the cruiser tires perform about the same as they did when I started riding.
My point here is that motorcycle tires for my street bike are 25-year old technology, at prices we should not see for another 50 years when compared to car tires. They've got us, and they know it. Why develop new or keep prices competitive, when folks will (must) by the crap you were putting on the street 25 years ago? Simply, we are a niche market. A manafacturer will sell more car tires in a day, than motorcycle tires in a lifetime. Their R&D money goes to the car tire market. The meager development done in the motorcycle world is concentrated on the race circuit, where the publicity really is. Those tires are doing truely amazing things, but are not suitable for the street. He has some excellent thoughts on many aspects of the Darkside. You can read more here: http://lifeisaroad.com/stories/2004/10/27/theDarkSide.html (http://lifeisaroad.com/stories/2004/10/27/theDarkSide.html)
Curtis
I will probably give one a shot also.
I rode a VRod and had to fight the bike to lay over in the corner, didn't care for that aspect, once you get use to it, it' probably okay. I keep reading about wide tires on bikes and lack of ease to corner than when it does you get the feeling of falling into the corner.
I'll try it than I'll know if it's for me.
Curtis and Len,
What are the issues with putting a radial and bias type tire together? In this setup is radial recommended, do you know why, or is there no bias type tires available?
Len, what other tires are there that you ran across which would fit?
Due to the size of the tire, weight or rolling resistance, does this affect gas mileage or top end speed?
I looked up Toyo and didn't see a size Len used, do you have others for me to look at Curtis?
The tire used by others and recommended is a 155 BF Goodrich Radial T/A
Hoot, I will have to look again but I thought the speed rating was an S, I would like the H.
Quote from: Curtis_Valk on October 14, 2008, 04:09:18 PM
QuoteHey Curtis, Do you tow that boat with your valk?
As far as anyone knows! :P Actually I sold it a couple of months ago, kids are grown and I've moved on.
I've got two trailers I do tow though:
Curtis
Curtis, I know your a popular guy and all, but if you really want to be popular, here is a trailer to haul around!!!
(http://i36.tinypic.com/2nqtagw.jpg)
I have researched extensively.
165SR15 MICHELIN XZX
145R15 FIRESTONE F560
165/80R15 KUMHO - (What Len used)
165/80R15 Geostar
145/65R15 Bridgestone
155HR15 MICHELIN XAS – Requires Tube
Dunlop had 175 but Dia was 24.1"
These are either tube type or tubeless with a S or T speed rating.
But....I may have a couple of possibilities I need to check out further.
Terry;
Do all these come in an 80 size?
Quote from: hootmon on October 27, 2008, 05:19:11 PM
Terry;
Do all these come in an 80 size?
Hoot, IIRC all these are in the 80 series. Are you considering? How do you get 20 out of the rear tire, referring to your other post?
Terry the truth is I got 19K out of my last Avon (I should have replaced it about 16K - by the time I replaced it all the rubber in one little spot was gone in the center and the beginning of the sub tread started showing.. I can tell you that I am not easy on my Magna.. I won't say I "race" all the time, but I get along with it most of the time and do shame some v-twins occasionally... I also probably got about 14-15K out of my last metz 880 front tire.
I am thinking about going with a car tire, but since I replaced my Avon with another about 5K miles ago, It will be a little while before I'm ready to do that.. Hopefully some of the other brave souls on this site will have some great recommendations by then.. BTW this last Avon I bought is the one for the V-max and I do not find it any sticker and it looks like it wears a little faster than my last one.
Quote from: TLRam1 on October 27, 2008, 05:09:48 PM
I have researched extensively.
165SR15 MICHELIN XZX
145R15 FIRESTONE F560
165/80R15 KUMHO - (What Len used)
165/80R15 Geostar
145/65R15 Bridgestone
155HR15 MICHELIN XAS – Requires Tube
Dunlop had 175 but Dia was 24.1"
These are either tube type or tubeless with a S or T speed rating.
But....I may have a couple of possibilities I need to check out further.<<<<<
Hard to find close to the right size, tubeless with an H speed rating until....I came across these; Drum roll..............
165R15 86H<<< Avon 655 - Dia 160 - Width Tubeless
165R15 86H<<< Vredestein 646 - Dia 157 - Width Tubeless
Cha ching ------cha ching
Quote from: TLRam1 on October 26, 2008, 10:13:39 AM
Curtis and Len,
What are the issues with putting a radial and bias type tire together? In this setup is radial recommended, do you know why, or is there no bias type tires available?
Well, just bear in mind that when you sign on to the "Darkside" you become somewhat of a test pilot. We're charting new territory here, although there has been enough of this going on to establish a few guidelines. I have not heard of anyone running a bias rear car tire. I think some of this silliness only becomes possible because of high performance radials. Some of the folks on the Darkside forum who cannot find a radial front tire to fit their bike are actually running a rear motorcycle radial on the front (sized correctly for their front) but it must be turned backward for the tread pattern to be correct for braking. Now..........to answer your question: I don't know.
QuoteDue to the size of the tire, weight or rolling resistance, does this affect gas mileage or top end speed?
I have not seen a negative effect. The Toyo on my Supervalk is not much heavier than a Valk sized motorcycle tire. However I was surprised and dismayed when I realized how heavy the Continental tire is that I put on my Touring Valk (almost 40 pounds). In my mind there has to be a cost to all of that unsprung weight, but so far I cannot perceive any.
QuoteI looked up Toyo and didn't see a size Len used, do you have others for me to look at Curtis?
Yeah, finding the size you need in a suitable tire will be even more of a challenge for the Magna than for my Valk, and I'm finding selections limited even for it. I prefer a tread that is directional and/or symmetrical, but I don't think you'll have any luck in the size you'll need. As you know, Len had some difficulty getting his tire to seat on the bead and that tire actually made the Darkside forum's "bad tire list" for the number of them that have exploded due to overpressure in an attempt to get them to seat. All I can say is proceed with caution and know what you're doing or seek help. I sure don't want to see someone hurt or even killed over this kind of stuff.
Len will have to answer any specifics on his particular tire and the installation thereof.
Curtis
Hey Terry, just found this: http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=BFGoodrich&tireModel=Radial+T%2FA&vehicleSearch=false&partnum=58SR5RADTARWL2&fromCompare1=yes&place=0# (http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=BFGoodrich&tireModel=Radial+T%2FA&vehicleSearch=false&partnum=58SR5RADTARWL2&fromCompare1=yes&place=0#)
Only problem is that it's a raised white letter tire .....one side only of course. I didn't look to see if they offered a blackwall.
Curtis
Edit: Just noticed that Hoot already found this one, sorry.
Yes, the RWL are the issue on the BFG tire.
I have been emailing the GM of Vredestein, he's responded with specs. I sent him another today explaining what I wanted to do....no response yet, well I did receive a response telling me they carried MC tires also.
I will probably give it a shot if all the cards land right. Not sure if this will be for me but I am willing to give it the ol 1,2,3 effort!
I took Len's Magna up the street and back last week and the difference in feel of a MC vs car tire seems much less pronounced on the Magna than on the Valk. I think the narrow size has a lot to do with it. That is my problem with sizing, I can't seem to find a 195 or narrower tire in a 16 inch sport radial except in very low profile (50 or 55 series). The 55 I have is fine on the Supervalk, but I'd like at least a 60 or 65 series on the big touring Interstate. Still looking. I may have to go up to a 205 to get that tall, but I'm afraid the extra width will contribute more to the "car tire feel".
Curtis
Along with these,
165R15 86H<<< Avon 655 - Dia 160 - Width Tubeless
165R15 86H<<< Vredestein 646 - Dia 157 - Width Tubeless
I also found this very close to our stock size.
155SR15 "S"<< Vredestrin 24.70 - Dia. 6.4 " width
Stock Dunlops
150 80 15 24.65 - Dia 6.30 Width
Also found this Curtis but not a aggressive sport tire
185HR16 93H
I read about the Kumho on the "bad list". I have those brand on my Mustang and traction is lacking from what i can tell, doesn't mean it will transfer over but that's my only experience with Kumho. And I don't know if BFG offers that tire in a BW.
I was going to take a shot at the one Len used but after I found these other options....I don't know.
Quoteyou become somewhat of a test pilot. We're charting new territory here,
You're correct on this Curtis as no one comments on this stuff and finding a tire....for me, other than Len and the BF Goodrich I ran across, you're on your own for sure. That is why I posted my findings.
I put together Speed Rating info on the Darkside site, hard to find decisive info regarding this topic, It's a lot to read. I can put it on here but didn't know if many/any would be interested.
This CT I always shied away from due to handling and traction issues in my mind. I still have my doubts but I'm not close minded or press my beliefs on others because they want to do something different UNLESS they want to chop up or part out a perfectly good 2-Stroke vintage bike that's all there. :-P :-P :-P :-P
It would be great to get 20K + miles out of a tire with equal handling be it wet or dry and cornering is workable.
QuoteI put together Speed Rating info on the Darkside site, hard to find decisive info regarding this topic, It's a lot to read. I can put it on here but didn't know if many/any would be interested.
You know about the Darkside Forum on Delphi, don't you? There's at least one guy over there who has darksided a 3rd Gen Magna. http://forums.delphiforums.com/DarkSiding/start (http://forums.delphiforums.com/DarkSiding/start)
Curtis
Yes, I am familiar with the forum (I meant to say Forum not Site) and that's where I post the Speed Rating info. I have also spoke with Nico who has the CT on the Magna.
Curtis,
I have located this one if interested....I don't think this is what your looking for though.
195/60 R 16 99 H Quatrac 2
(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr80/MOOT-Photos/quatrac_2.gif)
And as we speak I am ordering the
165R15 86H<<< Vredestein
646 - 25.43 " - Dia
157 - 6.18" Width
When this one wears out in 5000 miles I will work my way down to an S rated tire. lol I don't need it yet but I will.
Okay who's jacking with my CC card, their not taking it, Hoot quit spending my bread crumbs.
Quote from: TLRam1 on November 03, 2008, 02:51:35 AM
Okay who's jacking with my CC card, their not taking it, Hoot quit spending my bread crumbs.
Terry;
Looks like your trying to use your "Country Club" Card (CCC), not your CC = Credit Card... Them not taking it is there way of saying they are NOT impressed that you have a country club membership...
Maybe so or they don't like it because it's My county club as in My Kingdom and not anyone will be able to get in. 8-) 8-)
They must have heard us Hoot, they took the card this morning.
Quote from: TLRam1 on November 03, 2008, 09:59:33 AM
They must have heard us Hoot, they took the card this morning.
They were probably afraid.. Very afraid... Better to appease Terry that get him upset and turn loose the beast..
Quote from: hootmon on November 03, 2008, 10:08:17 AM
Quote from: TLRam1 on November 03, 2008, 09:59:33 AM
They must have heard us Hoot, they took the card this morning.
They were probably afraid.. Very afraid... Better to appease Terry that get him upset and turn loose the beast..
And I am on a tear this morning. someone in the neighborhood has complained enough to the city to have a barrier put up behind my house between the row of houses and the church. I am going to paint a sign and stick it up with a summation for the complaining party if you have a problem than MOVE. I moved here not to have a barrier and the view behind me open. It will say more than this but I am not a typist, this is the short version.
Quote from: TLRam1 on November 03, 2008, 02:51:35 AM
Curtis,
I have located this one if interested....I don't think this is what your looking for though.
195/60 R 16 99 H Quatrac 2
(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr80/MOOT-Photos/quatrac_2.gif)
Looks promising, where did you find it?
Curtis
Quote from: Curtis_Valk on November 03, 2008, 04:03:26 PM
195/60 R 16 99 H Quatrac 2
(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr80/MOOT-Photos/quatrac_2.gif)
Looks promising, where did you find it?
Curtis
You just had to ask me......
Are you appeasing me or do you really want to know? I will have to see where that is.
All I am finding are overseas.....it is in the USA somewhere.
Try this.
http://www.vredestein.com/Banden_Bandtypes.asp?BandgroepID=3&BandtoepassingID=0&BandtypeID=14&PageID=2&Rimsize=16&UserSessionID=18364680
Quatrac 2
Vredestein Quatrac
The all season sports tire.
This is the brand I ordered but not the tread design.
Looks like there are two locations in Texas
PROGRESSIVE AUTOSPORTS
14037 Stuebner Airline
Houston
TX 77069 U.S.A.
Telephone: 1-281-893-1134
Fax: 1-281-893-1990
E-mail address: taza@progressiveautosports.com
Url: www.progressiveautosports.com
and another in Longview (If I remember correctly)
Two in Florida as well... Miami and Plant City..
I ordered mine from here.
http://www.vredesteintire.com/
Here they are: http://www.tiresbyweb.com/m-106-vredestein.aspx (http://www.tiresbyweb.com/m-106-vredestein.aspx)
Actually, the Comtrac Winter or the Snowtrac 2 looks better. I'm not sure I like the price tag though.
Curtis
Yes, those look good, I didn't look at any snow tires. If you can get 40K out of them, 200 may not be bad. This site looks a little more expensive,the tire I ordered was 109 and here they want 144.00.
Checking with the tire distributor for my tracking number the guy who answered the phone offered up (unsolicited) this brand of tire is a good quality brand they compare to Michelin, we will see.
Tire Specs
Made in Holland
Treadwear - 220
Traction - A
Temp - B
Speed Rating - H
Tread depth - 10/32
(http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa214/TLRam1/Motorcycles/Magnas/2001%20Magna/Car%20Tire/DSCN8123.jpg)
(http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa214/TLRam1/Motorcycles/Magnas/2001%20Magna/Car%20Tire/DSCN8122.jpg)
(http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa214/TLRam1/Motorcycles/Magnas/2001%20Magna/Car%20Tire/DSCN8125.jpg)
An exert from a web page
I've now run over 100,000 or so and so I've added more pictures and information to update my experience.
No matter how far I lean the Valkyrie, I am never on the sidewall of this tire. It has molded in markings and the "rubber tits" from the mold process on the sidewall, and they remain pristine, untouched condition despite some very aggressive turning. I also set the bike over on its crash-bar one day to see where it rode, and it is not on the sidewall. All remains on the tread, and there is plenty of it. The contact patch of the car tire flattens on the bottom (as it is designed to do) keeping more half the tread on the pavement, even in full out, peg-dragging turns. The contact patch for the car-tire exceeds the size of the contact patch on the the only MC tire I had measured on this bike (Avon). An easy and fun way to measure is to find a street where water is running down it, that is otherwise dry (somebody watering the pavement again, a common thing here in Texas--I think they want it to grow). Ride the bike through the water and then into immediate peg-dragging turns. Then go look at the tracks. You'll be surprised.
http://lifeisaroad.com/stories/2004/10/27/theDarkSide.html (http://lifeisaroad.com/stories/2004/10/27/theDarkSide.html)
I see Curtis_Valk posted this site in October 24, 2008
Here is a couple of good videos on cornering on the Dark Side.. You can make your own determination
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZKhoFbL7Fo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZKhoFbL7Fo)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQtlt-HFFoo&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQtlt-HFFoo&feature=related)
hthttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAHlbSzwjsg&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAHlbSzwjsg&feature=related)
What's up with the YouTube logo in this one??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaIj1XrmvLM&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaIj1XrmvLM&feature=related)
Quote from: TLRam1 on November 05, 2008, 06:57:10 PM
Checking with the tire distributor for my tracking number the guy who answered the phone offered up (unsolicited) this brand of tire is a good quality brand they compare to Michelin, we will see.
Tire Specs
Terry;
How are you doing on the Darkside Project.. Enquiring minds want to know...
Oh well it is time for a new rear on mine and guess what Darkside it is !!!!!!!!
Quote from: hootmon on November 17, 2008, 07:49:46 AM
Quote from: TLRam1 on November 05, 2008, 06:57:10 PM
Checking with the tire distributor for my tracking number the guy who answered the phone offered up (unsolicited) this brand of tire is a good quality brand they compare to Michelin, we will see.
Tire Specs
Terry;
How are you doing on the Darkside Project.. Enquiring minwds want to know...
I am having computer issues is the problem I have with posting... I haven't needed to put it on yet, I may sell this one and buy the 155 S speed rating tire if someone wants to buy my 165 H rating. I bought the tire before I needed one.
I am interested. It is not long till I need a new tire. So if someone does not jump on it lets talk.
From what I understand S -- 180km/h or 112mph and H -- 210km/h or 130mph.
I was thinking you where wanting to go to a higher speed rated tire.
Robert,
Lets discuss this further. I thought I would buy the 155 and look at both. My thinking is the 155 would give me a narrower profile for more aggressive riding and less input in the turns.
I am trying to give me the best shot of liking this in the turns. If your interested in one or the other I will go ahead and order the 155 so we can see both side by side.
I don't want to put you on the spot to commit so we can discuss this further when you have a chance. The H rated could have better traction or the S only was tested to that limit as that was all they were looking to rate that tire. I will be needing one pretty soon also. Let's talk or let me know and I will order the 155.