I got bored again :shock:. For those of you at greg's wrench session you probably heard me complaining about needing pull back risers. well when I got home got HRI to order me a set of 6 inch chrome steel risers (Duece style), got em the next day $70.00 tax and all ($145.00) from Harley. While I was sitting there admiring my new risers I remembered what Curtis had told me about the gear noise on the Valk, You can always drown out the noise with louder exhaust 8). This is what happened next!!
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I used two 14 inch long, thick wall tubing, with 2 and 1/2 inch inner wall, flared on both ends to fit snug inside the four inch tubing.. I saved the last 3 inches of original muffler so I could use the resonators. All I can say is the trans noise must have fixed itself while I was working on the exhaust
I will probably put the chrome (shortened) back on tomorrow. I did leave the option for turn downs at a later date.
I'll post the finished product later.
Great work Charles!! Do you have pipe benders/expanders for exhaust work?
What little I do I usually buy scrap from a muffler shop and have then bend or flare what I need. To make the inside tube a tight fit I used a hammer and Crescent wrenches to flare the ends then drove them down into the outer tube. The inside tube prevents that hollow sound and the flared ends make a smooth collector for the three exhaust. I'm am pleased with the sound, very deep rumble with out the hollow tinny sound. I'll have to save up for the 4 inch turn down tips, $30.00 a piece :shock:.Drop in the bucket for some of you rich folks 8).
That's what I like to see! A man who knows where he's going and is not afraid to cut up a set of $1500 exhaust (from Honda). LOL You'll get more flow with your "collector" than stock so you may have to shim the needles. It's an easy job on the Valk though, since the carb diaphrams are practically looking at you (assuming you don't eventually pull the carbs anyway).
Add an I/S ignition module and I/S carb springs for more grunt out of the hole and you'll have the fastest Valk in MOOT!!
Curtis
$1500.00 #^%$@&(>)?< :shock: WHAT WAS I THINKING!! :D :D Neah, I didn't really like Honda's stock and couldn't afford straight drag pipes, so I did what I do (tare things up), hopefully it'll look better when I'm finished. I left the three resonators in the end hoping that would create enough back pressure to avoid working on the carbs, but I'm going to have to pull them to clean the slow speed jets anyway..
Quote from: Charles S Otwell on January 19, 2009, 10:38:16 AM
$1500.00 #^%$@&(>)?< :shock: WHAT WAS I THINKING!! :D :D Neah, I didn't really like Honda's stock and couldn't afford straight drag pipes, so I did what I do (tare things up), hopefully it'll look better when I'm finished. I left the three resonators in the end hoping that would create enough back pressure to avoid working on the carbs, but I'm going to have to pull them to clean the slow speed jets anyway..
and from a guy who talks about ME buying bikes and tearing them apart! :-P :-P
Well, you know what they say. If there is something about someone else that really bothers you, some behavior perhaps, it is often that you also have that trait and are not happy about it so you tend to be annoyed by it in other people.
I have found this to be true, though not always, with my own experiences. :smile:
Quote from: Charles S Otwell on January 19, 2009, 10:38:16 AM
$1500.00 #^%$@&(>)?< :shock: WHAT WAS I THINKING!! :D :D
I got lucky a few years back and found a fellow Valker willing to part with an almost new set of take-off pipes for $125 plus shipping (which was substantial because of the weight and size). I kept them pristine for a long time, but finally bobbed enough off the piggies to get my turn down tips on. I like my road bike a little quieter for long trips. The gutted pipes that are on my SuperValk were originally on the road Valk, but the turn down tips just roared in my helmet with the sound bouncing off the pavement.
So...........I have a set of lightly cut-upon pipes (piggies cut and rear baffles drilled) I'd part with for oh, lets say half price shall we? For a friend, you know. :P
Curtis
QuoteI'd part with for oh, lets say half price
Is that the ones with the turn downs? And is that half the price you give, or half the price of new ? :D :D :D
BTW... Nice Pictures, but just because it's not a Magna doesn't exempt you from the SeaFoam in the picture rule... !!!
Signed
The SeaFoam Police!!!
You the man, Charles!!!! I wish I lived next door to you!!!!!
And Terry on the other side! Custom bikes, look out!!!!
They would have to turn the street into a drag strip!
QuoteBTW... Nice Pictures, but just because it's not a Magna doesn't exempt you from the SeaFoam in the picture rule... !!!
The Sea Foam is in the tank where it can do some good 8).. The can it comes in is worthless :D :D :D..
QuoteThey would have to turn the street into a drag strip!
With my new exhaust it sounds more like the deck of an Aircraft Carrier :D :D :D 8).
And I'm pretty sure my neighbors would like to see it put out to Sea..
LOL Charles!!!
Look out, I am sure a sea foam commercial is coming in from the East......
Quote from: Charles S Otwell on January 19, 2009, 08:47:27 PM
QuoteBTW... Nice Pictures, but just because it's not a Magna doesn't exempt you from the SeaFoam in the picture rule... !!!
The Sea Foam is in the tank where it can do some good 8).. The can it comes in is worthless :D :D :D..
Yeah, but it's so photogenic!!!
Quote from: Charles S Otwell on January 19, 2009, 07:41:46 PM
QuoteI'd part with for oh, lets say half price
Is that the ones with the turn downs? And is that half the price you give, or half the price of new ? :D :D :D
You ain't touching my turn downs! :evil: Half of new of course! :shock: Seriously though, you wouldn't want my spare ones. I have three (I can't even remember how I ended up with an odd pipe) but at least two of them have serious road rash on the header pipes from getting a little deep in the turns while I was still "learning". Did you know you can put a Valk down hard enough on the engine guard in a turn to unload the front suspension and still not low-side? :shock:
Curtis
NO! I didn't know that, :shock: and hope I never do!!!!
Quote from: Curtis_Valk on January 19, 2009, 10:12:57 PM
Did you know you can put a Valk down hard enough on the engine guard in a turn to unload the front suspension and still not low-side? :shock:
Curtis
Is that what happened to Greg in Georgetown? He apparently wiped the road with his pants leg, but didn't actually go down, from what I hear.
And Charles, it was an oil slick that did it to him -- not an aggressive lean in a turn. Maybe you could keep it upright through an oil slick on an off ramp, but I doubt I could. I have already demonstrated my skill in this regard in a slick water crossing over a small creek. :shock: :cool:
you can the seafoam can and slip it over the mufflers, kinda have that NASCAR effect
QuoteMaybe you could keep it upright through an oil slick on an off ramp, but I doubt I could.
Corrected last post is that better??
Quote from: lragan on January 20, 2009, 09:50:47 AM
Is that what happened to Greg [C] in Georgetown? He apparently wiped the road with his pants leg, but didn't actually go down, from what I hear.
And Charles, it was an oil slick that did it to him -- not an aggressive lean in a turn. Maybe you could keep it upright through an oil slick on an off ramp, but I doubt I could. I have already demonstrated my skill in this regard in a slick water crossing over a small creek. :shock: :cool:
Couple of factoids : Greg C hit a long patch of oil across the center stripe while making a moderate lean left turn exit from hi-way off ramp across a 4 lane road. The oil slick was clear and unseeable until viewed from the far side, and oil on paint is especially frictionless. He unfortunately hit it just right to kick the rear out from under while in a slow speed turn.
The beauty of the Valk is that it has low profile yet sturdy engine guards surrounding the front of the flat 6 engine casing. And on the Tourer/IS variants there are nice little guards tucked up under the rear hard-bags. These front and rear guards absolutely minimize damage in slides or falls. These guards are tough and have saved my $$ on an occasion.
Quote from: Charles S Otwell on January 20, 2009, 10:23:00 AM
QuoteMaybe you could keep it upright through an oil slick on an off ramp, but I doubt I could.
Corrected last post is that better??
Sorry, friend, I didn't mean to chastise. None of us intend to go down, it just happens. The reason I mentioned Greg is that I consider him among the best of riders, and, I suppose, it salves my wounded ego a bit to know that he slides, too, under the
right wrong circumstances. :cool:
YEP oil will put on the engine/bag guards EVERYTIME! LoL. And will do it so fast ya wont know why your sliding! :lol:
I was very lucky that the it was soft enough to not let the fairing/trunk/bags etc hit the pavement. You can lay a Valk over in the grass etc and it will not completely lay horizontal, it will hold about a 30-35 degree angle, which I must say, helps a lot in the rash department!!!
Thanks for the kind and gracious words Lawrence, much appreciated, however I see myself as still developing my riding skills EACH and EVERYTIME I ride....
QuoteSorry, friend, I didn't mean to chastise
I,didn't take offense, but I can see how my last post
QuoteCorrected last post is that better??
could sound a little sharp. When I read Curtis' post It never entered my my mind he might be talking accidental, just figured it was another one of his famous peg scrapping curves, and I knew I wouldn't be trying one of those. I changed my post cause I didn't want to sound like I thought laying one down could never happen to me. It already has, but it wasn't oil it was pea gravel in a paved intersection. Again sorry if my reply sounded curt :oops:.
Quote from: Charles S Otwell on January 20, 2009, 08:56:49 PM
Again sorry if my reply sounded curt :oops:.
Hey leave me out of this! :cool:
Curtis
Quote from: Charles S Otwell on January 20, 2009, 08:56:49 PM
When I read Curtis' post It never entered my my mind he might be talking accidental, just figured it was another one of his famous peg scrapping curves................
No, that part was on purpose .............over-cooking the curve was the accidental part, but by then then your options are limited: 1. brake and risk a high-side, 2. run off the paved surface or 3. lean some more ........that's not enough, more ...............a little more .............more!!! Whew, made it!
Curtis
Whoa, whoa whoa!!!
I find out that Bob has a Rocket III and now it appears that Charles has a Valkyrie?????? Man, I really need to get out more...... :-? :-? :-?
QuoteWhew, made it!
That is kinda how I feel about being 59 8). Don't get the idea that I've spent my whole life in a rocking chair just because I don't scrap the pegs in the curves! I've pushed the limits more than a few times in my past life..Some I can even talk about in public :D.
QuoteI find out that Bob has a Rocket III and now it appears that Charles has a Valkyrie??????
Yeah Jimmie every time I get something nice, Bob always up stages me :D :D. Actually our wives are the reason we got new bikes, Bob got his Rocket because his wife said He deserved a Rocket, and I got my Valk because my wife said She deserved the Magna :D :D :D..
Quote from: Charles S Otwell on January 21, 2009, 12:12:43 AM
Actually our wives are the reason we got new bikes
My wife would be tickled to death if I never threw a leg over another bike. Of course, looking at my assortment of scars I can see her point ...... but I have been a good boy since my last "excursion" :cool:
QuoteMy wife would be tickled to death if I never threw a leg over another bike.
Same here, but she is pretty understanding about my "need" to ride.
My wife took to riding like a duck to water. If it gets over 60 degrees I don't have to worry about doing chores around the house, we'll be riding. And don't think she won't ride off a leave me, that's happened a lot :-?.
QuoteAnd don't think she won't ride off a leave me, that's happened a lot .
LOL. Your a lucky man. I admire a woman who can hang, or at least makes an effort to. Sounds like yours is not just hanging, but setting the bar some too. :smile:
I tried to get my wife to ride over to a friends house the other evening with me. About a 1 mile ride one way and only about 1/4 mile of it on a "busy" (45 mph) street with one stop light. She would not go, said she is scared. We used to ride together on my sportbikes all the time. She says she was younger then. :???:
My kids love to ride with me though.
Sent my wife an email telling her I wanted her to ride the motorcycle with me when I get it. She replied. You want to take me for a ride? That's fine, I just need some protection. so :P :lol:
Quotebut I have been a good boy since my last "excursion"
Jimmy, does this mean you've stopped breaking cam chain tensioners for a while too :D?
Quote from: Charles S Otwell on January 22, 2009, 12:43:19 AM
Jimmy, does this mean you've stopped breaking cam chain tensioners for a while too :D?
I don't "break" them, I "test" them for durability :grin:
QuoteI don't "break" them, I "test" them for durability
Tested any lately :D :D :D, by the way I'm still running the one that came out of your bike, that I repaired 8).
Ok here is the finished exhaust mod (from page 1) If chrome polish won't clean them up I guess I'll have to get them rechromed
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Like I said, I left enough lip to add turn downs when I save up another $60.00..
Now it's clean the slow speed jets and a paint job (maybe a nice red) and I'll be ready for MootMag..
Quote from: Charles S Otwell on January 31, 2009, 02:03:40 AM
.....the slow speed jets and a paint job (maybe a nice red) and I'll be ready for MootMag..
So, are we going to see a wolf or other ferocious animal painting on the tank?
The bike is looking a lot better already, Charles -- color me green with envy...
Man, you guys are a bunch of rebels aren't you??? Wait till the fuzz sees those pictures! THEN you will hear about it! :lol:
They will hear the bike way before they see the pics :D..
LOL!! I meant OUR local fuzz. Your pics seem to be missing some "required" piece of evidence. He must have found a box of donuts and got distracted.
Oh that ! Hey I get paid for advertising and I haven't seen a check yet :D..
There is no use starting a new thread so I'll just use this one to continue my work in progress, the Jade Valk. I realize I should started with the carbs instead of the exhaust, but at the time the exhaust mod seemed like less work and more fun :D. The slow speed jets have been stopped up ever since I've had the bike and the exhaust mod just made it more noticeable. Anyway after much encouragement from Greg at the last wrenching session in Seagoville (not) :shock: :???: I decided to take carbs off and clean them. Including two Dr Pepper breaks it took an hour to remove and disassemble them.
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The slow where bad two of them were completely stopped up.
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It took longer to find something small enough to clean the jets than it did to remove them.
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When I got them back together I remembered something I read on the VRCC about removing the smog junk, since there is so much of that junk under the carb bank I decided to go for it. the end result is :shock: :shock: :shock: WOW what a difference, doesn't even feel like the same bike. I did not have to adjust anything, sync anything, or shim anything, thanks Curtis for the advice. I am one happy camper :D :D :D :D :D :D :D 8)!!!!!!
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Stay tuned for Paint and Chrome!! :cool:
Great post Charles! Something how unrestricted flow of petrol makes things go Bam with more authority.
Just wait till ya get to reinstall them, OH JOY! :lol: :shock: :cool:
I would add another shim to the needle while ya have them apart, helps just the same as on the Magna, ESPECIALLY when somone cuts the mufflers apart etc. :lol:
Greg read under the next to last pic :D it's done, de-smogged and all..
Quotethe exhaust mod seemed like less work and more fun
Hah!! A man after my own heart!
Quotethanks Curtis for the advice. I am one happy camper
The pleasure is all mine, but I get to ride 'er again now that she's "whole".
Curtis
Next time you see it ,It'll have the exhaust turn downs, 6" duece risers and a fresh coat of paint, may even have the engine guards rechromed by then. You riding it again with it running right would be my pleasure. I would still like to find a cheap saddle bag for the right side but that can wait..
Maybe I'd better not try the Deuce risers.............could cost me money because I could use a little more pull back.
Curtis
They are a little higher priced than the Aluminum ($70.00 including tax) but I kinda prefer the round style, chrome steel, You can see them in one of the pics close to the top of the page on page 3. I really like them..
One step closer, final paint and clearcoat today, now I need more chrome 8).. Donations accepted :-D :-D..
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I forgot moving a pic in photo-bucket moves it everywhere :oops:
Not even one donation :sad:??? :D :D
There was a purty bike under that baby food green thing :lol: :shock: I am ducking now!
LOOKs GOOD!
QuoteThere was a purty bike under that baby food green thing
My thoughts exactly :D :D..
I helped him put it back together. It wouldn't have taken much more tree pollen to get it back to that baby food green.
The pictures don't do it justice. I got to see the tank out in the sunlight. It really looks good with the sun lighting up the metal flakes.
EXCELLENT!!!! 8)
Wow, Charles, looks great! Now how are you and Brenda going to tell them apart?
Mine is which ever one she doesn't get on when we ride :D.
Smart man!
So you jab me for not liking green than you paint over your green. :lol:
Looks good my man!!
Jealous in Safety Harbor, Fl....
Looks Gooooood..
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Charles bike looks awesome. Did you do the paint yourself? If so how did you learn? I am reworking a guitar using automotive paint before I tackle the bike. By the way RED ROCKS
QuoteCharles bike looks awesome. Did you do the paint yourself? If so how did you learn?
Thanks! Yes, I couldn't afford to have it done. I don't consider myself a painter, but I do enjoy trying. Find a good automotive paint store and someone there that knows what he's doing. Ask questions, and make sure all the products you use are compatable. If you don't know what kind of paint your stating with or painting over you could end up with a disaster. Goog luck with your project..
Looks very professional and very nice.
Quote from: Magnum Magna on March 21, 2009, 09:58:03 PM
Looks very professional and very nice.
I probably won't see this kind of reply on my current painting project. :lol:
For those of you not bored with my project :sad:, here are a few pics of the progress from the start to now
Click on pic.
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I enjoyed the slide show. Can't wait to see it.
At first I was only jealous of your skill set. Now I am jealous of the bike, too!!
What a transformation. Hope in all your pictures you captured the VIN before and after -- otherwise no one will believe it is the same bike! :smile: :smile: