Post your opinions, thoughts or questions if you have any.
After messing with tires falling over, hitting my camera propping them back up I have all the tires in, measured and photographed.
I bought the 165 than leaned towards the 155 than back to the 165 and now after crunching numbers and photos I'm in the thinking process, which one to try.
Width - measure from the widest point of the tire be it sidewall or tread (MC tire).
Height – measure from the floor to the highest point of the tire.
These numbers are Actual measurements, not what mfg states. Many numbers were 24 7/16 (chg to 24 ½), I rounded the fractions for ease of comparison.
The 155 is narrower than the Dunlop by ½ inch. Tread width on the Dunlop is significantly wider due to the tread wraparound design.
Width Height Tread Width
Dunlop 150-80-15 5 3/4 24 1/2 7 1/2
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Car Tire 155-SR-15 5 1/4 24.7 4 3/4
Car Tire 165-HR-15 6 1/8 25.0 5 3/4
165 – Dunlop – 155
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155 - Dunlop – 165
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165 – 155
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Dunlop – 165
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Dunlop – 155
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These are redundant below, included them anyway.
155
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165
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Dunlop
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Terry here is one thought
The 165 tire is 1/2 inch taller - This will to some extent slow down the revs on the motor at highway speed I wouldn't expect much, but some. Due to this it should also lengthen the band of each gear slightly, but may take some Speed off. again it is only 1/2 inch, but it is a factor.
get two more wheels hook them all together and make your self a trike. LOL
Quote from: hootmon on December 06, 2008, 05:47:48 AM
Terry here is one thought
The 165 tire is 1/2 inch taller - This will to some extent slow down the revs on the motor at highway speed I wouldn't expect much, but some. Due to this it should also lengthen the band of each gear slightly, but may take some Speed off. again it is only 1/2 inch, but it is a factor.
Depending on the compression of the tire to create a contact patch, it could be even more. At equal pressure, I would expect the MC tire to be a bit shorter (distance from the axle center to the road) than the car tire, which will have a wider contact patch. Perhaps as much as 1/2 inch in the radius in question, or about 4%. So at 70 mph indicated, the car tire mounted, you could be traveling maybe 73 mph. Probably not a big deal.
Something I noticed and have been thinking about on these "dark side" posts is the 155 tire is not really any wider than the Dunlop and still has a somewhat "curve" to it, especially at the shoulder. Now I know once the weight of the bike is on there is it will flatten out a bit. But, I could see using it on a touring bike. I have not doubt it has superior wet traction and looks like it could handle the leans that a full dresser (no offense Curtis, I know that statement does not apply to you. LOL) will be making on average.
Thanks for posting these pics all together and glad your camera survived!
IMO the narrower car tire will have less car tire "feel" but the wider car tire will look better (beefier). Everything depends on your priorities.
My next car tire, I'm going back to a symmetrical (directional) sport tire. I am not pleased with my latest tire's tendency to wander on uneven pavement and I'm convinced it is the tread since my Toyo Proxes directional sport tire does not exhibit this behavior. The problem is that so far I have not been able to find anything but a low profile 55 siries in the narrow 195 size that I desire. I may have to go to a 205 to get a 65 profile. The search continues.
Curtis
Quote from: Curtis_Valk on December 06, 2008, 08:48:29 AM
IMO the narrower car tire will have less car tire "feel" but the wider car tire will look better (beefier). Everything depends on your priorities.
Curtis
Yes, when I put the 155 behind the Magna it will not have the beefier look. How much extra input is required by Len's Magna with the 165? That might help make a decision.
Quote from: Jerry G Turner on December 06, 2008, 07:40:21 AM
get two more wheels hook them all together and make your self a trike. LOL
I was waiting for the witty one to arrive.
Quote from: DG on December 06, 2008, 08:04:46 AM
155 tire is not really any wider than the Dunlop and still has a somewhat "curve" to it, especially at the shoulder.
Thanks for posting these pics all together and glad your camera survived!
Correct this 155 is narrower by 1/2 inch. I need to measure the relaxed bead width to see if it sheds light as to how much it will curve and also look at recommended rims width for the same. I'm glad the camera made it also, this one doesn't take dropping well. :P
Hoot and Lawrence,
I have thought along those lines also, that would be a benefit on the highway. As you say by how much and may not be noticeable.
Keep your thoughts coming, I may not respond to them all but I am reading and pondering. It's better if you can see the tires in person, the photos are the best I can get you to reality. :-P
I gotta admit the car tire is tempting -- from looks, and from price. I am dubious about turning performance, but will take the word of those who have experience.
What do you use to mount tires? I have no equipment besides crowbars and screwdrivers, and don't want to ding up my rim.
Unless I pick up yet another nail, there is a lot of life left on the rear tire I have on, so I am not in a hurry here.
Lawrence
I put up some videos, I think earlier in this thread.. You can decide for yourself on turning patch size.
Even though the M/C tire has a wider tread, there is some on the edges of my tire that looks like I never or hardly ever use, so I don't think that is an advantage, and believe that you will get a bigger patch with the car tire on the ground, even in turns.
I'm with Curtis, that I would prefer a uni-directional tire, but I don't believe there are any in Magna size.
I would prefer a slightly tigher pattern, but again, options are limite. I believe it would make the tire quieter and hey, how much mud and snow are we planning on hitting with the Magna?? :lol:
I've got about 13K on my Avon and will be look for a new tire in the next 3K or so (should be 3-4 months) so I wish you guys would get going and make my decision easier!!! (yeah, it's all about me!! :mrgreen:)
Terry, since you have the tire mounting machine.. Are you going to start running a Rim Swap service?? :smile:
My 165 80 15 that I run is great.
I did see a small drop in RPM at 70MPH about 200-300 RPM.
The handeling is really good. Curtis and Greg C. have both ridden it and they both have leaned it more than I do so I know it sticks good and handles well.
I like the taller look as well, makes it look bigger and fatter.
Still playing with the pressures a bit i started out at 32PSI but the tire felt too flexy.
I'm running 34 right now and Greg C. Said that I should probably go up to 36 or 38, which I havent tried yet.
The 165 also didn't require any change of the brake stay, which is a little bonus.
The only drawback, per say is that it feels like the tire wobbles a bit on hard acceleration.
I think this is due to the tread pattern.
Quote from: Len Averyt on December 06, 2008, 12:47:40 PM
My 165 80 15 that I run is great.
The only drawback, per say is that it feels like the tire wobbles a bit on hard acceleration.
I think this is due to the tread pattern.
More pressure may make the wobbles less apparent.. Let us know...
QuoteYes, when I put the 155 behind the Magna it will not have the beefier look. How much extra input is required by Len's Magna with the 165? That might help make a decision.
It didn't feel bad at all to me, but I've been off the Magna for quite a while now so don't go my my "feel". I also only took a short ride and I think an honest evaluation can only be made by the person who rides on it every day.
Curtis
Quote from: Len Averyt on December 06, 2008, 12:47:40 PM
I did see a small drop in RPM at 70MPH about 200-300 RPM.
This is consistent with the approximation I posted earlier, and makes perfect sense.
In my prior post, I forgot that the speedometer feeds off the front tire. So naturally the difference will be manifest in the tachometer reading, not the speed, which should still be correct if the size of the front tire is correct.
Duh!
If the weather looks good next weekend I will bring by a check for the tire or I will mail it to you. Which ever tire you try I will try the other one.
Ok so I have a Question what would be the widest tire to fit in there not because I want the widest it just seems the wider you get the better the tire from what I see like this one http://www.1010tires.com/tire.asp?tirebrand=Bridgestone&tiremodel=Potenza+RE%2D01R or even this one
http://www.1010tires.com/tire.asp?tirebrand=Bridgestone&tiremodel=Potenza+RE%2D01R which even has a 155/80/15 !!!
Quote from: roboto65 on December 06, 2008, 08:15:25 PM
Ok so I have a Question what would be the widest tire to fit in there not because I want the widest it just seems the wider you get the better the tire from what I see like this one http://www.1010tires.com/tire.asp?tirebrand=Bridgestone&tiremodel=Potenza+RE%2D01R or even this one
http://www.1010tires.com/tire.asp?tirebrand=Bridgestone&tiremodel=Potenza+RE%2D01R which even has a 155/80/15 !!!
This is the only tire on the above site I see in a 155/80/15 is the BFGoodrich Radial T/A® Tires
http://www.1010tires.com/tire.asp?tirebrand=BFGoodrich&tiremodel=Radial+T%2FA%AE (http://www.1010tires.com/tire.asp?tirebrand=BFGoodrich&tiremodel=Radial+T%2FA%AE)
One of the issues is it is White Raised letter on one side only...
Quote from: Magnum Magna on December 06, 2008, 07:35:32 PM
If the weather looks good next weekend I will bring by a check for the tire or I will mail it to you. Which ever tire you try I will try the other one.
No problem Robert, I have you down for the other one.
Quote from: lragan on December 06, 2008, 12:34:13 PM
What do you use to mount tires? I have no equipment besides crowbars and screwdrivers, and don't want to ding up my rim.
I think Allen mounts them I do not know what he uses. I started with tire irons and stopped for the reasons you list.
Quote from: hootmon on December 06, 2008, 12:40:25 PM
Terry, since you have the tire mounting machine.. Are you going to start running a Rim Swap service?? :smile:
Haha, not any sooner than you're going to make it to Texas!
Quote from: Len Averyt on December 06, 2008, 12:47:40 PM
The only drawback, per say is that it feels like the tire wobbles a bit on hard acceleration.
I think this is due to the tread pattern.
Interesting to see if other tires have this effect.
Quote from: hootmon on December 06, 2008, 10:52:07 PM
Quote from: roboto65 on December 06, 2008, 08:15:25 PM
Ok so I have a Question what would be the widest tire to fit in there not because I want the widest it just seems the wider you get the better the tire from what I see like this one http://www.1010tires.com/tire.asp?tirebrand=Bridgestone&tiremodel=Potenza+RE%2D01R or even this one
http://www.1010tires.com/tire.asp?tirebrand=Bridgestone&tiremodel=Potenza+RE%2D01R which even has a 155/80/15 !!!
This is the only tire on the above site I see in a 155/80/15 is the BFGoodrich Radial T/A® Tires
http://www.1010tires.com/tire.asp?tirebrand=BFGoodrich&tiremodel=Radial+T%2FA%AE (http://www.1010tires.com/tire.asp?tirebrand=BFGoodrich&tiremodel=Radial+T%2FA%AE)
One of the issues is it is White Raised letter on one side only...
I haven't researched what Allen posted, when I was looking I didn't see the ones he mentions.
RWL is what I did not want, may be able to dye them.
Haven't bought any RWL tires lately, but Lacquer thinner used to wipe the white right off..
Quote from: Charles S Otwell on December 07, 2008, 08:31:18 PM
Haven't bought any RWL tires lately, but Lacquer thinner used to wipe the white right off..
On white walls there use to be a white layer under the outside, I thought, in other words you could not wipe it off.
I thought you said (RWL) Raised Whitewall Letters :? are you just talking about white wall tires?
Yeah, it would come off. I used to have some stuff to make the letters whiter again (cuz that was cool in the 80's. LOL)
Heck I will just grind them off with my dremel :lol: :lol:
Or you could just cut donuts in the parking lot until they are ground off on the pavement... :cool:
That sounds like fun even better LOL
I dunno, sounds kinda DANGEROUS! :shock: :lol: :wink:
Quote from: DG on December 08, 2008, 09:34:24 AM
I dunno, sounds kinda DANGEROUS! :shock: :lol: :wink:
Maybe so, but right up Allen's alley!! :shock:
Curtis
Wouldn't the oil on the ground from the auto-oil defeat the purpose?? :)
Allen carries his own supply of oil to drip on the ground around his rear tire!
He even makes sure its of quality to be poured out on the ground and not used in a highly engineered engine, ROYAL PURPLE! :lol: :shock:
Quote from: Greg Cothern on December 08, 2008, 05:41:02 PM
Allen carries his own supply of oil to drip on the ground around his rear tire!
He even makes sure its of quality to be poured out on the ground and not used in a highly engineered engine, ROYAL PURPLE! :lol: :shock:
HA HA HA A HA HAHA HA HA AHA HA HA HAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hahahahah Oh so funny hehehehh You all are just jealous !!!!! :lol: :lol:
Quote from: roboto65 on December 08, 2008, 06:30:38 PM
Hahahahah Oh so funny hehehehh You all are just jealous !!!!! :lol: :lol:
The ones in front of you are jealous.. The ones behind you are purple and oily!! :lol:
Quote from: roboto65 on December 08, 2008, 06:30:38 PM
Hahahahah Oh so funny hehehehh You all are just jealous !!!!! :lol: :lol:
Yes, I confess, Allen, I am definitely jealous. I have been wanting to leave a trail of oil on the pavement ever since I sold my Harley.
Makes it so much easier to find one's way home...
I don't leave a trail on the ground :lol: :lol: I leave it on people that follow me LOL :shock:
Quote from: roboto65 on December 08, 2008, 08:38:27 PM
I don't leave a trail on the ground :lol: :lol: I leave it on people that follow me LOL :shock:
Do you call those people.. Passengers? :lol:
Nope !!!!!!!!!!!!! Nuf Said :shock: :shock: :lol: :lol: :lol: Why dou think I end up tailgunner every year LOL
You weren't ahead of Greg on that off ramp he went skidding across a few months past, were you??
Maybe the week before?
I plead the fifth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :shock: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: roboto65 on December 08, 2008, 09:03:44 PM
I plead the fifth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :shock: :lol: :lol:
More like I Bleed a fifth of Royal Purple..
Never look a gift horse in the mouth right I get my Purple Free!!!!!
Hoot I will stop hijacking your thread now.
Who's gosh darn idea was it to put a can in the dad gum photo, use to be easy taken a picture and now have to go find a can to stick in the pic. Takes so much time, hope you guys appreciate all the work I do just to stick a can in the photo, you better be happy. I don't have Seafoam can as I ride all my stuff and I like Berrymans.
I had to go buy starter fluid, never use it as all my gosh darn stuff is made to run when I put it back together, if it don't started fluid ain't gonna help it no ways, that stuff stinks when you set it a fire but it made the tire go pop, gosh darn thing you ever saw.
Just like Curtis, gives me a little support to blow something up than leaves me holding the bag, and than tells me he ain't even done it himself.....old Festus looking scraggly guy. Just don't go strike a match around my rear tire or you might look like Elmer Fudd.
I will get on to what you been waiting for.
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It's not Seafoam it does not count :P :P :P :lol: :lol: :lol:
Looks cool. I am so ready to put it on my bike.
Quote from: Magnum Magna on January 05, 2009, 11:56:19 PM
Looks cool. I am so ready to put it on my bike.
Whenever you are ready Robert we will blow yours up too! 8-)
Width Height Tread Width
Dunlop 150-80-15 5 3/4 24 1/2 7 1/2 (measured around the tire)
________________________________________________________________
Car Tire 155-SR-15 5 1/4 24.7 4 3/4
Car Tire 165-HR-15 6 1/8 25.0 5 3/4
155 - Mounted tire specs
Height - ------- 24.75"
Width Widest - 5 1/2"
Tread Width -- 4 1/2" (different from above, I didn't measure as far around as unmounted)
Looks Great Terry... And the can of starting fluid... That's perfect for these shots with the story behind it and all. Did you wet the rim and tire before the starting fluid procedure???
How hard was it to get the tire onto the rim.. Did you have to use a machine to do that?
Ohhhhh. I'm getting a little excited about putting a car tire on, now that I've seen yours..
Let us know (in detail) what you think of the ride.. I've heard it takes a little getting used to..
In all the excitement of getting the darn can in the photo......I failed to balance the tire. Now you know what I will be doing tonight, dad gum canned photo, who's idea was that again....I want to (http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa214/TLRam1/Smilies/icon_bigun.gif)
Quote from: hootmon on January 06, 2009, 05:37:29 AM
Looks Great Terry... And the can of starting fluid... That's perfect for these shots with the story behind it and all. Did you wet the rim and tire before the starting fluid procedure???
How hard was it to get the tire onto the rim.. Did you have to use a machine to do that?
Ohhhhh. I'm getting a little excited about putting a car tire on, now that I've seen yours..
Let us know (in detail) what you think of the ride.. I've heard it takes a little getting used to..
The rim of the tire had paste from the No Mar company I bought the mount bar from, rim of the wheel had nothing on it. When seating, on the last difficult part I used there spray lubricate also.
Since I have not done a conventional tire yet I have nothing to compare this to. It was difficult putting the tire on the rim but not as difficult as I thought it would be, I use the Harbor F. tire changer with the No Mar Bar. Seems every tire I do I bend the tips on the bar, good thing they replace them for free. 8-) When I do a conventional tire on the changer I will let you know how that works. Robert will probably be next with his car tire in my garage.
Quote from: TLRam1 on January 06, 2009, 10:03:02 AM
In all the excitement of getting the darn can in the photo......I failed to balance the tire. Now you know what I will be doing tonight, dad gum canned photo, who's idea was that again....I want to (http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa214/TLRam1/Smilies/icon_bigun.gif)
Of course you got the dot near the valve stem, correct!
Quote from: hootmon on January 06, 2009, 11:09:00 AM
Quote from: TLRam1 on January 06, 2009, 10:03:02 AM
In all the excitement of getting the darn can in the photo......I failed to balance the tire. Now you know what I will be doing tonight, dad gum canned photo, who's idea was that again....I want to (http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa214/TLRam1/Smilies/icon_bigun.gif)
Of course you got the dot near the valve stem, correct!
Dot, DOT, their ain't no stinkin DOT on this tire. I will balance out the DOT, how bout that, or maybe I blew the DOT clean off the sidewall or I will go so fast so the DOT can't hang.
You want a dot I'll give you a dot.
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or one of these..
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Nice Dots!!! 8)
I was certain that Curtis would weigh in with Dyna-beads by now!
I have no idea what they are, or how they work. Would they work with the car tire? I would suppose so, otherwise "dark side" Curtis would not be using them...
Quote from: lragan on January 06, 2009, 12:08:05 PM
I was certain that Curtis would weigh in with Dyna-beads by now!
I have no idea what they are, or how they work. Would they work with the car tire? I would suppose so, otherwise "dark side" Curtis would not be using them...
The last I heard.....Festus had them still on the shelf for "when he gets round to it" days. They probably would, might take more than what they recommend due to the tire though. This tire might be fine but before I ride I want it finished.
I am curious to see how much weight I will need and how difficult the tire will be to balance. Festus said he's at lunch eating his macaroni & cheese.
Tire is off being balanced as we speak.
You would be surprised how little if any weight this tire needed. Lined the dot up and it was near perfect, added a small 10gram weight.
Because of my mistake I did this the quick way, left my brake rod connected and chain adjusters unchanged, pulled the axle and went to business, put the axle back in, checked my adjusters to in sure nothing changed and we're done.
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Did you "add" the dot after you mounted the tire?? :P
What's the difference in the 1st & 2nd picture??
I don't see any SeaFoam!!!
QuoteI don't see any SeaFoam!!!
Pic problems again?? It is right there, just behind those blue rags. :shock:
Don't you mean behind the cordless drill near the blue painters tape?
I'm not buying it.. Terry's just so excited, he forgot.. Besides, he doesn't even own any SeaFoam..
Quote from: TLRam1 on January 06, 2009, 10:03:02 AM
I want to (http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa214/TLRam1/Smilies/icon_bigun.gif)
Hey - Right back at you!!!
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Quote from: DG on January 06, 2009, 03:18:36 PM
QuoteI don't see any SeaFoam!!!
Pic problems again?? It is right there, just behind those blue rags. :shock:
What DG said. 8-)
Quote from: hootmon on January 06, 2009, 03:20:50 PM
Don't you mean behind the cordless drill near the blue painters tape?
I'm not buying it.. Terry's just so excited, he forgot.. Besides, he doesn't even own any SeaFoam..
How do you fine that stuff.
You're right, I gave it the ones who don't ride. lol I will have to get some more just for these gosh darn pictures, but Berrymans does look sorta sexy, don't ya think. ;-) ;-)
Quote from: TLRam1 on January 05, 2009, 10:56:27 PM
I don't have Seafoam can as I ride all my stuff and I like Berrymans.
No Terry.. What YOU said.. :lol:
Quote from: hootmon on January 06, 2009, 03:30:22 PM
Quote from: TLRam1 on January 06, 2009, 10:03:02 AM
I want to (http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa214/TLRam1/Smilies/icon_bigun.gif)
Hey - Right back at you!!!
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Mines bigger than yours. and I have an army of....2 (http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa214/TLRam1/Smilies/icon_bigun.gif)(http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa214/TLRam1/Smilies/icon_bigun.gif)
Quote from: TLRam1 on January 06, 2009, 05:27:14 PM
Mines bigger than yours. and I have an army of....2 (http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa214/TLRam1/Smilies/icon_bigun.gif) (http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa214/TLRam1/Smilies/icon_bigun.gif)
You had to go there.. Didn't you.. here are a few of my friends.. Don't make me bring out the big guns...
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Quote from: hootmon on January 06, 2009, 05:44:58 PM
Quote from: TLRam1 on January 06, 2009, 05:27:14 PM
Mines bigger than yours. and I have an army of....2 (http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa214/TLRam1/Smilies/icon_bigun.gif) (http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa214/TLRam1/Smilies/icon_bigun.gif)
You had to go there.. Didn't you.. here are a few of my friends.. Don't make me bring out the big guns...
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Quote from: TLRam1 on January 06, 2009, 06:38:32 PM
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Quote from: Greg Cothern on January 06, 2009, 07:15:22 PM
:shock:
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Woops... Got caught by Greg.. (http://i41.tinypic.com/oaya8k.jpg)
Quote from: hootmon on January 06, 2009, 07:59:14 PM
Quote from: Greg Cothern on January 06, 2009, 07:15:22 PM
:shock:
:???:
Woops... Got caught by Greg.. (http://i41.tinypic.com/oaya8k.jpg)
I told you to stop.
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Quote from: lragan on January 06, 2009, 12:08:05 PM
I was certain that Curtis would weigh in with Dyna-beads by now!
I have no idea what they are, or how they work. Would they work with the car tire? I would suppose so, otherwise "dark side" Curtis would not be using them...
My first car tire I gave a few spins with the axle on jack stands and it appeared to be ok without any weight. On the other one I put the dyna beads in but for all I know it would have balanced out anyway because I have no before/after comparison.
Put a couple dollars with the above and you can get a pretty good cup of Jo.
Curtis
Heh, thank you all for post # 62 on .............I badly needed a good laugh tonight!!
Curtis
P.S. Still chuckling.
Quote from: Curtis_Valk on January 06, 2009, 09:19:35 PM
Heh, thank you all for post # 62 on .............I badly needed a good laugh tonight!!
Curtis
P.S. Still chuckling.
Terry and I did it all for you Curtis.. Glad you enjoyed it..
Yes, that was tonights featured presentation brought to you be TLRam1 and Hootmon
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Robert, are you ready to blow your tire up yet? We need someone to video it. :-P
Brenda should be going out of town this weekend so Sunday could workout.
I hurt my back last week but I should be able to do it.
I know you go out on Sunday morning rides so what time is good for you?
:-? :shock: :-o
Quote from: Magnum Magna on January 07, 2009, 10:45:39 PM
Brenda should be going out of town this weekend so Sunday could workout.
I hurt my back last week but I should be able to do it.
I know you go out on Sunday morning rides so what time is good for you?
:-? :shock: :-o
That would be Sat. morning rides.
Do you work Sunday night? I will be in Waco Saturday for a delayed family Christmas, Saturday night, may head to Strokers, if thats the case will sleep in on Sunday somewhat. All this could change, ya never know, what's your availability?
Sunday noon should be good for me.
Sounds like a plan.
Brenda has decided to go out of town next weekend. So what is your plans for next weekend?
My plans are to tell Brenda she has to go out of town THIS weekend. LOL
Next weekend is probably good, let me think.
Any more feedback on the new tire??
Is it noisier??
Is it harder or easier to lock-up?
Is it better in the snow?? :lol:
Quote from: Magnum Magna on January 08, 2009, 12:14:22 PM
Brenda has decided to go out of town next weekend. So what is your plans for next weekend?
So far this weekend looks good Robert. On another board with international members I asked for info regarding this brand of tire made in Holland.
Comments,
"In the late 80s early 90s i raced cars on ice i used these tires awesome traction great tire i liked them."
"I had them on my Saab back in the 90's in England and they were great. If you can find them in the US, get a set."
BTW, I put a new stock rear Dunlop on my other bike I bought this past weekend and it took 40 grams while the CT took 10 grams to balance.
Wonder how Robert's will do?
For now this weekend she is leaving town.
She is getting nervus about me putting a darkside tire on. My co-worker said his brother has a darkside tire and likes it.
Quote from: Magnum Magna on January 14, 2009, 01:30:53 AM
For now this weekend she is leaving town.
So you get a Pass to Play. (http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa214/TLRam1/Smilies/LOLl.gif)
Quote from: Magnum Magna on January 14, 2009, 01:30:53 AM
She is getting nervous about me putting a darkside tire on.
Does this mean you have to buy her another jacket? (http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa214/TLRam1/Smilies/ducking.gif) Let's fix it for her, tell her I wiped out on my bike twice now. You think she hesitates now, wait till you ask her to jump on! (http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa214/TLRam1/Smilies/Smiley-bugeye.gif)
Quote from: TLRam1 on January 14, 2009, 02:25:08 AM
Does this mean you have to buy her another jacket?
Chaps to go with the jacket.
Quote from: TLRam1 on January 14, 2009, 12:32:59 AM
On another board with international members I asked for info regarding this brand of tire made in Holland.
Comments,
"In the late 80s early 90s i raced cars on ice i used these tires awesome traction great tire i liked them."
"I had them on my Saab back in the 90's in England and they were great. If you can find them in the US, get a set."
Terry - What Brand are you discussing specifically..
Any update on your experience, yet??
Does anyone have a list of 'Darkside' tire installers? (not Charles' shop floor...)
Or do I need to make a trip to Allen's tire burn off garage????
Also, along with bob's request, could someone post favorite sizes for the darkside tire.(Allen) 8-) maybe even in the FAQ list. I myself might possibly do this come spring time. Also if you have to use a spacer or not with each size etc.etc. Thanks everyone..
I asked my local Motorcycle repair shop (Not a Dealer) and they said they would do it and had done it before..
We shall see.. I'll probably bring a can of Starter fluid with me when I bring the tire.. If we have any trouble, I'll give them Terry's phone number.. (http://i40.tinypic.com/dwx99e.jpg)
Quote from: hootmon on January 08, 2009, 12:48:36 PM
Any more feedback on the new tire??
Is it noisier??
Is it harder or easier to lock-up?
Is it better in the snow?? :lol:
Hoot, I missed this post.
Much better in the snow AND ice, it wiggles and wobbles but it won't fall down. (http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa214/TLRam1/Smilies/icon_crackup.gif)(http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa214/TLRam1/Smilies/icon_crackup.gif)
I haven't noticed the lock-up feature yet, you would think it has to be. Not many miles on it yet in various road conditions.
Regarding this tire, not a larger size tire many might put on;
The first road I hit was one by my house with a curve, no extra steering input needed for the curve.
Seemed to have less road feel, so I aired it up to 47 lbs, than dropped it back to 40 lbs. Not sure on this yet.
Small amount of wiggle when gunned hard from a stop (first impression, may just be me).
Can not tell any extra road noise but in the winter I wear a full face and my windbreaker is flapping in my ear, I hear nothing else.
I rode the bike to the wrench session than to Waco and back 2-up, probably around 250 miles, mostly interstate and it performed well.
I'm still skeptical as I always was but less so now, my main concern was losing handling and cornering. When I hit more curves I will know more. I have more I could say but would like time riding before I comment since I have few miles on this tire.
I will say, if you are not an aggressive rider, commute or just a pleasure rider I don't think you will notice very little difference. What I need more time with is in the curves, pushing the tire some or let Curtis hit the curves with it. lol
Quote from: hootmon on January 14, 2009, 05:44:45 AM
Quote from: TLRam1 on January 14, 2009, 12:32:59 AM
On another board with international members I asked for info regarding this brand of tire made in Holland.
Comments,
"In the late 80s early 90s i raced cars on ice i used these tires awesome traction great tire i liked them."
"I had them on my Saab back in the 90's in England and they were great. If you can find them in the US, get a set."
Terry - What Brand are you discussing specifically..
Any update on your experience, yet??
Vredestein brand made in Holland. They also make bikecycle tires someone eluded to but are too expensive for that person to use.
Quote from: rjb/AKA Bob Barram on January 14, 2009, 11:20:35 AM
Does anyone have a list of 'Darkside' tire installers? (not Charles' shop floor...)
Or do I need to make a trip to Allen's tire burn off garage????
I don't know of any, most people did as Hoot and asked various shops, independent being your best bet. Your are welcome to bring it over here and we can give it a try. I have not mastered tire changing, it's still mastering me, but WE can give it a shot.
Quote from: L J BAD MAG on January 14, 2009, 11:53:28 AM
Also, along with bob's request, could someone post favorite sizes for the darkside tire.(Allen) 8-) maybe even in the FAQ list. I myself might possibly do this come spring time. Also if you have to use a spacer or not with each size etc.etc. Thanks everyone..
Lance I can put one together and add it to the FAQ, not a bad idea. :idea: I found a few, Hoot found a few, some we will not know if a spacer is required but we can list what we do know.
Hoot, send me a list of the ones you found again.
Terry, were you the one that bought the tire change machine?
I would be willing to try that. I expect the tire to come in tomorrow.
Quote from: rjb/AKA Bob Barram on January 14, 2009, 12:50:15 PM
Terry, were you the one that bought the tire change machine?
I would be willing to try that. I expect the tire to come in tomorrow.
Bob, what tire are you purchasing?? Brand, model, size
Quote from: hootmon on January 14, 2009, 01:00:36 PM
Quote from: rjb/AKA Bob Barram on January 14, 2009, 12:50:15 PM
Terry, were you the one that bought the tire change machine?
I would be willing to try that. I expect the tire to come in tomorrow.
Bob, what tire are you purchasing?? Brand, model, size
Bobs will be for his Rocket. Ask him how much to chg both tires on that bad mama jama.
Quote from: TLRam1 on January 14, 2009, 12:49:15 PM
Hoot, send me a list of the ones you found again.
PM sent..
I found back tire recommendation for the Rocket from the r3owners forum. It is a Falken F452.
Wish they made one for the Magna!!!
Yes, it is a sweet looking tire, specifically the 225/55/R16.
I stopped by the Honda shop in Allen, Texas. Trying to put my wife's mind at ease. They will not install a darkside tire but they will not fail a state inspection sticker for it. They are selling bike tires not car tires so he did not give the idea a glowing review to do such a thing. He did not discourage the idea just not a glowing review.
Quote from: Magnum Magna on January 14, 2009, 06:06:39 PM
I stopped by the Honda shop in Allen, Texas. Trying to put my wife's mind at ease. They will not install a darkside tire but they will not fail a state inspection sticker for it. They are selling bike tires not car tires so he did not give the idea a glowing review to do such a thing. He did not discourage the idea just not a glowing review.
Brenda's wearing on ya, we better hurry up and get this on. :-P The Polaris shop in Mckinney might, I doubt Dean at Metric Tech would.
I did not ask if they would mount it he offered that information on his own.
When did you want to come over and do the tire?
Now that I have a Magna with and w/o a CT I will test them both. Also riding Robert's with the 165 size will give me an idea how that performs also.
Quote from: TLRam1 on January 14, 2009, 10:56:56 PM
When did you want to come over and do the tire?
Now that I have a Magna with and w/o a CT I will test them both. Also riding Robert's with the 165 size will give me an idea how that performs also.
Yes please!!!!!! :grin:
Look at the MC tire I removed a couple of nights ago, this is off the last bike I bought, flat, pretty much across the tread. I never paid attention until I started physical changing the tires myself not just pulling the wheel off. My other tire was like this except forgot to take a photo before I tossed the tire.
I am not pushing anyone towards a CT just showing my findings as they become available for discussion purposes. I have 2 Magna's now, one with and one w/o a CT, hope to have a better idea about this as time goes by.
I welcome ANYONE (who can obviously ride) to ride this also not only for your benefit but myself and others here. This I will push you somewhat, I want to know what others opinions are after a ride. Come by, we'll get the keys and ride a bit.
Click for a larger version.
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Side View, pretty good in the large version. You can see the edge of the flat tread.
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If we can get together, Bob might be coming over Saturday along with Robert for tire service, if you are in the area you might drop by. Watch the 3 stooges blow up some tires! (http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa214/TLRam1/Smilies/a-blowupfire.gif)
Robert,
Looks like Bob will do the breakfast ride Sat. morning than we will head to Cycle Gear for weights than back to my house for tire changing duties.
Does Sat. work for you around 12:30 or so Robert?
Anyone else want to ride with us on the breakfast ride? It's a few 2-4 friends get together, determine where on the spot, informal, leisurely pace, and your welcome to come over afterwards.
Quote from: TLRam1 on January 15, 2009, 01:25:31 PM
Look at the MC tire I removed a couple of nights ago, this is off the last bike I bought, flat, pretty much across the tread.
So Terry.. Sort of a continuation of my PM to you .. SO, with the tire pictured.. How much tread do you think you had on the ground when making a turn.. I think over the long run, you have more tread on the ground with a car tire..
Have you talked to anyone that has put 10K+ on a car tire and have any idea what the wear pattern looks like..
On your new Car tire, have you ridden it enough to determine if you need more or less air.. This seems to be the variable on cornering stability, etc..
Quote from: hootmon on January 15, 2009, 03:39:00 PM
So Terry.. Sort of a continuation of my PM to you .. SO, with the tire pictured.. How much tread do you think you had on the ground when making a turn.. I think over the long run, you have more tread on the ground with a car tire..
On this tire, not much as the tread is flat, I rode little because this tire was shot through the cords, if I turned the tire around. Photos to come.
Quote from: hootmon on January 15, 2009, 03:39:00 PM
Have you talked to anyone that has put 10K+ on a car tire and have any idea what the wear pattern looks like..
On your new Car tire, have you ridden it enough to determine if you need more or less air.. This seems to be the variable on cornering stability, etc..
None other than maybe Curtis and reading from various posts. Curtis and I have all discussions (most all :wink:) at least regarding CT on this public forum UNLIKE you and I who battle over the PM's. :-P :-P and see who can PM the next avatar, if ones here could only see what we get into on PM's. :-P (http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g255/laocee/_secret__by_zacthetoad.gif) I'm surprised the forum is still functioning.
I started in the low 30's up to 48, back down to 40. Seemed soft in the 30's but need to play around a bit more for a better feel. Being articulate is where I am lacking that's why I am not a good debater. :-P I don't know I just get on it and RIDE that mother!!! lol (http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee28/pinkdolphin11/smilies/Kopievanmoto.gif) Now put the gosh darn tire on your bike and RIDE. (http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q11/lalacreek/smiley/moto.gif) <<Hoot(http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh109/Maria_76/Smileys/smiley_laughing.gif)(http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh109/Maria_76/Smileys/smiley_laughing.gif)
Are you going to fly over and help? There's a field you can jump when close enough.(http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r111/essbeein/smileys/smiley_skydive.gif) We will stand by and watch you catch some air.
Terry --- Your a funny guy!!! (http://i43.tinypic.com/2q8ymhk.jpg)
$750 to fix my transmission on my car...(http://i40.tinypic.com/2zs0egh.jpg)
That puts a big dent in my car tire budget...
It was 43 this morning for my commute...(http://i41.tinypic.com/2wrkrrl.jpg)
It is supposed to be 39 tomorrow morning (http://i43.tinypic.com/2e4yamh.jpg)
I'd like to get an opinion on a 165 tire before I buy.. Maybe after Saturday, eh??? Maybe need to space out the brake stay??
Quote from: hootmon on January 15, 2009, 05:21:05 PM
Terry --- Your a funny guy!!! (http://i43.tinypic.com/2q8ymhk.jpg)
$750 to fix my transmission on my car...(http://i40.tinypic.com/2zs0egh.jpg)
That puts a big dent in my car tire budget...
It was 43 this morning for my commute...(http://i41.tinypic.com/2wrkrrl.jpg)
It is supposed to be 39 tomorrow morning (http://i43.tinypic.com/2e4yamh.jpg)
I'd like to get an opinion on a 165 tire before I buy.. Maybe after Saturday, eh??? Maybe need to space out the brake stay??
1. If your bike is working you don't need the transmission fixed, 750 saved, for now!
2. #1 takes care of this.
3. I'm okay with those temps, do you not have the proper gear....you already answered that unless you're being a big ole (http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u298/cathycross57/baby-smiley.gif)
Quote from: TLRam1 on January 15, 2009, 05:48:00 PM
Quote from: hootmon on January 15, 2009, 05:21:05 PM
Terry --- Your a funny guy!!! (http://i43.tinypic.com/2q8ymhk.jpg)
$750 to fix my transmission on my car...(http://i40.tinypic.com/2zs0egh.jpg)
That puts a big dent in my car tire budget...
It was 43 this morning for my commute...(http://i41.tinypic.com/2wrkrrl.jpg)
It is supposed to be 39 tomorrow morning (http://i43.tinypic.com/2e4yamh.jpg)
I'd like to get an opinion on a 165 tire before I buy.. Maybe after Saturday, eh??? Maybe need to space out the brake stay??
1. If your bike is working you don't need the transmission fixed, 750 saved, for now!
2. #1 takes care of this.
3. I'm okay with those temps, do you not have the proper gear....you already answered that unless you're being a big ole (http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u298/cathycross57/baby-smiley.gif)
Now let's not fight (http://i41.tinypic.com/14ijs42.jpg)
If we get Jester on here, this is what we will look like.. (http://i39.tinypic.com/14uve0.jpg)
Let's all just be friendly (http://i40.tinypic.com/157yzx1.jpg)
So we can get together sometime soon (http://i42.tinypic.com/244vbpt.jpg)
I did not complain about the weather.. I wait all summer for weather like this... (http://i40.tinypic.com/zvaelg.jpg)
Brenda is not leaving town but we are still a go. I can be there around 12:30 on Saturday.
Quote from: Magnum Magna on January 15, 2009, 06:53:46 PM
Brenda is not leaving town but we are still a go. I can be there around 12:30 on Saturday.
It's a go than! You have my cell number if you need to call, I may not hear it but it will make you feel good!
Quote from: TLRam1 on January 15, 2009, 07:32:00 PM
if you need to call, I may not hear it but it will make you feel good!
If the phone does not ring you will know it is me.
Quote from: Magnum Magna on January 15, 2009, 09:20:10 PM
Quote from: TLRam1 on January 15, 2009, 07:32:00 PM
if you need to call, I may not hear it but it will make you feel good!
If the phone does not ring you will know it is me.
Hey... That's a rip off of my post!!!!
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But there is always Pie!!! yummmmmmm...
Plagiarizing is the greatest form of flattery. :lol:
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If I would have shot you the first time i would be getting out now. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: Magnum Magna on January 15, 2009, 09:51:27 PM
Plagiarizing is the greatest form of flattery. :lol:
I saw a cute little claymation thing on the history channel several years ago about printing. A clay Gutenberg was cranking away at a press while saying, "Imitation is NOT the greatest form of flattery, PAYMENT is!"
Quote from: Magnum Magna on January 15, 2009, 06:53:46 PM
Brenda is not leaving town but we are still a go. I can be there around 12:30 on Saturday.
Robert, Mary Ellen will be coming over this weekend so if Brenda wants to come on, she would have someone to talk to other than me jacking with her. :-P
Comrade you need to get in line with the new American way. :-( Don't be selfish. We need to share and share a like because some people are more equal then others. :lol:
I am sorry Terry did not see your post.
Brenda will probably be working and I will want some ride time on the new tire before Brenda rides with me.
Quote from: Magnum Magna on January 16, 2009, 07:25:18 PM
Comrade you need to get in line with the new American way. :-( Don't be selfish. We need to share and share a like because some people are more equal then others. :lol:
Does that include paychecks? :P more equal? how would you write that in a mathematical equation? :lol:
Quote from: Jester on January 17, 2009, 11:00:29 AM
Does that include paychecks? :P more equal? how would you write that in a mathematical equation? :lol:
Does that include paychecks?: Yes please I am looking forward to the raise.
more equal?: At one time the book ANIMAL FARM was required reading. With the new America the schools would probably be scared to make it required reading again.
Quote from: TLRam1 on December 05, 2008, 11:58:41 PM
Post your opinions, thoughts or questions if you have any.
After messing with tires falling over, hitting my camera propping them back up I have all the tires in, measured and photographed.
I bought the 165 than leaned towards the 155 than back to the 165 and now after crunching numbers and photos I'm in the thinking process, which one to try.
Width - measure from the widest point of the tire be it sidewall or tread (MC tire).
Height – measure from the floor to the highest point of the tire.
These numbers are Actual measurements, not what mfg states. Many numbers were 24 7/16 (chg to 24 ½), I rounded the fractions for ease of comparison.
The 155 is narrower than the Dunlop by ½ inch. Tread width on the Dunlop is significantly wider due to the tread wraparound design.
Width Height Tread Width
Dunlop 150-80-15 5 3/4 24 1/2 7 1/2
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Car Tire 155-SR-15 5 1/4 24.7 4 3/4
Car Tire 165-HR-15 6 1/8 25.0 5 3/4
165 – Dunlop – 155
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165 – 155
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I put on the one that is on the left:
We put on the darkside tire on today. I have 45 psi in for now but tomorrow I will try reducing it. I am not an aggressive rider at all so I don't see a big difference. I think I will like it.
What a Great Fun day this was!!!!!! One of the best days with good friends, ingenuity, and make no mistake.....we all had our jobs and worked but is was FUN!!.
The day started out at 7:30 AM, John (a friend of mine), Terry and Bob head out for a short breakfast ride to Denton café. Once finished we searched out Grifs Cycle Sports in search of Dyna Beads as this is what Bob wanted to use, Grifs didn't have them but did have the chrome stick-on. Rather than search further Bob decided on the stick-on.
John and Terry, John doing a poka dance before the operation. Bob's camera make me look ugly, I like my camera better.
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Brake Caliper removal by John.
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Bob and John (a friend of mine) , okay where did this come from..
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I guess it goes here Bob
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Bob's worn out tire and new tire in the waiting.
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Terry busting the bead while John decides to kick the tire around.
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Bobs tire being strapped down for the surgical procedure.
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Bob's Monster rim after a good struggle getting the tire off, we won the battle but not by much. Applying the KY Jelly getting the rim prepped for the new CT.
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Bob and John attempting to seat the tire, it will not after several attempts. Bob wisely brought a couple of ratcheting tie-downs.
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John, trying to get the tire to catch some air, this time was a success!
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Bob is back after a test ride, a squeal of the tire and a few smalls front wheels lifts off the ground.
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This tire looks good as Bob takes off on the bike.
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Robert enters the picture as we were working on getting Bobs tire off. Good thing he showed up when he did! Now on to Roberts tire, EASY compared to Bobs Monsterous Rocket Tire.
Roberts "tire seating" safety gear, gloves, cost, safety glasses, full face helmet. As I was doing this the others took refuge behind the trash recepticales.
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Robert, John, Bob getting ready to balance Roberts CT.
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(http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa214/TLRam1/Motorcycles/Magnas/2001%20Magna/Car%20Tire/DSCN8311.jpg)
Can you say Cheese!
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Hoot, John reminded me to take a photo of the white Dot you so famously want to see.
(http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa214/TLRam1/Motorcycles/Magnas/2001%20Magna/Car%20Tire/DSCN8316.jpg)
John and Terry balancing Roberts tire.
(http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa214/TLRam1/Motorcycles/Magnas/2001%20Magna/Car%20Tire/Photo_06.jpg)
(http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa214/TLRam1/Motorcycles/Magnas/2001%20Magna/Car%20Tire/DSCN8319.jpg)
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The end of the adventure, what started at 7:30 AM ended at dark time....Bob's recommendation for Genghis Grill, only Bob has been, the rest of us were first timers. Nice place to eat, you fill your bowls with protein, vegetables, fruit, spices, pick a starch and sauce than let the grill masters to their trick.
Bob-front right, Robert (not seen), Terry – front left, Mary Ellen (left side), John (not seen) joined by his lovely wife Barbara (back right).
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What a cool day. I'm gonna have to see the tires on the Magnas in person. So far
I can't imagine going that way with mine.
Hoot,
I did not have a chance to ride Roberts bike with the 165 mounted, he will be back over for more work and I'll take a ride than.
Bob's tire looks meaty on the bike of his bike, solid muscle!
I will try to take a picture Monday. Bob tire looks awesome I am envious.
If I don't go out of town next weekend I will come over so you can ride it.
I wonder if heli coils would work.
Great pictures Terry.. Enjoyed them.. I am looking forward to the reviews..
Looks like you guys had a good time together.. (http://i40.tinypic.com/zkiypy.jpg)
Two comments though..
You do know that White out is a cheat for the dot, correct?? :grin:
With all those shots.. You couldn't get a can of SeaFoam in there somewhere(http://i40.tinypic.com/2zs0egh.jpg), or did I miss it??
Come on... There were 3 people to remember.. :lol: (http://i43.tinypic.com/j9wksh.jpg) (http://i43.tinypic.com/2q8ymhk.jpg)
Robert, what size tire did you use?
Quote from: Jamtndll on January 18, 2009, 07:15:02 AM
Robert, what size tire did you use?
Also, did you have to buy a spacer for the brakestay rod?
What I noticed was how fast Bob wore out his stock tire!
FOOD???!!!! And I wasnt invited????
:shock: :(
Very nice work gentlemen.
Great write up and accompanying photos.
I look forward to further riding reviews.
Quote from: L J BAD MAG on January 18, 2009, 07:53:29 AM
Quote from: Jamtndll on January 18, 2009, 07:15:02 AM
Robert, what size tire did you use?
Also, did you have to buy a spacer for the brakestay rod?
Car Tire 165-HR-15 6 1/8 25.0 5 3/4
I had the bigger 170 80 15 Dunlop so I had already had the Cycle-isic brakestay rod on the Magnum
http://www.cycle-istic.com/Misc.html (http://www.cycle-istic.com/Misc.html)
(http://www.cycle-istic.com/BrakestayRod2.JPG)(http://www.cycle-istic.com/BrakestayMounted.jpg)
Robert, I have the right drill bit you need when you come back over, it is 1/32 larger than the other one I had.
Quote from: Magnum Magna on January 18, 2009, 08:28:35 PM
Also, did you have to buy a spacer for the brakestay rod?
Car Tire 165-HR-15 6 1/8 25.0 5 3/4
I had the bigger 170 80 15 Dunlop so I had already had the Cycle-isic brakestay rod on the Magnum
http://www.cycle-istic.com/Misc.html (http://www.cycle-istic.com/Misc.html)
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But do you think you need the brakestay rod, or do you think a stock rod would have been fine??
Thanks for Hoots research and input, Twice! I have put together Car Tire availability list for Magna's in the FAQ link below with photos, where to buy, etc.
http://www.magnaownersoftexas.com/forums/index.php?topic=1917.msg14638#msg14638
Quote from: hootmon on January 19, 2009, 07:50:24 AM
But do you think you need the brakestay rod.
What's a Brakestay rod? :-P :-P So that's what I threw out....
Quote from: Smoked U on January 18, 2009, 10:08:40 AM
Very nice work gentlemen.
Great write up and accompanying photos.
I look forward to further riding reviews.
Thanks Dave!
Quote from: Smoked U on January 18, 2009, 10:08:40 AM
I look forward to further riding reviews.
and so do I.
Quote from: hootmon on January 19, 2009, 07:50:24 AM
But do you think you need the brakestay rod, or do you think a stock rod would have been fine??
I am just over an inch to the swing arm and about ½ inch to the breakstay bar. I have heard of indenting the bar right at the wide point of the tire. I have not added washers or indented it so I am not much help on that direction of modifying it.
DG, the bike had 6500 miles on it and I assume the tire was original. I put another 1K+ on them and it was time to change them. From reading the Rocket forum the people do not get much mileage out of the tires, they are metzlers and they seem to go faster.
Gee Bob everything with you is
Quoteto go faster.
:D!
Charles, I meant the tires wear out faster!!!!
You would think all I live for is speed, not really, I am dieing for it!!!LOL
QuoteDG, the bike had 6500 miles on it and I assume the tire was original
Ahhh. I thought you had bought it new. That makes more sense. I had this vision of you laughing maniacly while doing burnouts next to a Harley. LOL
Thanks for the write-up Terry on car tires. Very detailed.
Quote from: L J BAD MAG on January 22, 2009, 09:03:34 AM
Thanks for the write-up Terry on car tires. Very detailed.
You bet Lance, thanks!
As we learn more I will make changes as needed. I changed my wording several times as I re-read what I write. :-P :-P
Hoot,
I can't PM you because the system said I PMed too much today or at least with in the last hour.
To answer your PM....why didn't you say so. I was wondering why you resent, thought you had a Blond moment or a "William" moment or maybe just a moment. :-P :-P
Quote from: TLRam1 on January 23, 2009, 07:35:27 PM
Hoot,
I can't PM you because the system said I PMed too much today or at least with in the last hour.
To answer your PM....why didn't you say so. I was wondering why you resent, thought you had a Blond moment or a "William" moment or maybe just a moment. :-P :-P
That's funny.. I Spammed you some more.. I must be special!!!
Sorry for all the messages.. I appreciate all the help you have provided me though..
When you have the treadwear info send it my way. You keep PMing me because you know I can't PM back. :twisted: :-P
Quote from: hootmon on January 23, 2009, 07:43:10 PM
That's funny.. I Spammed you some more.. I must be special!!!
Sorry for all the messages.. I appreciate all the help you have provided me though..
No problem at all Hoot, it's not just you, several from various others also.
Hoot if you will look at the info in the FAQ section, I have Treadwear on all the tires.....I think.
I will go check again, I added to and took away from what you sent.
Does everyone like evesdropping on our Private Public PM message system between Hoot and myself. 8) :-D
Finishing Bobs bike.
At the beginning.
(http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa214/TLRam1/Motorcycles/Magnas/2001%20Magna/Car%20Tire/IMG_1325.jpg)
A guys attempt to blow the bead on, failed attempt because he only tried once.
(http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa214/TLRam1/Motorcycles/Magnas/2001%20Magna/Car%20Tire/200901TireChange098.jpg)
The Rocket, one short of riding. Bob found a new way to make a homemade tool for his axle.
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Busting the bead on Bob's front tire.
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I (grey and black coat) am trying my hand at putting Bob's tire on.
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Bob's bike is finished with old tire in tow.
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Made for "duel sport" and "dirt bike" tires while spooning.
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What we had for lunch.
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Myself (back left), John (back right) and the chef (Bill upclose) checking on the food. Bill was also the one who gave good points regarding how to use the HF Tire Changer.
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Curtis, you can get into this cheaper now that I have seen this. When you're ready, let me know and I will show you. Bob, John and myself are becoming quickly knowledgeable in the "How To's".
Quote from: TLRam1 on January 25, 2009, 11:46:44 AM
Curtis, you can get into this cheaper now that I have seen this. When you're ready, let me know and I will show you.
I don't know what you mean, I started mounting my own tires back in '76. As far as cheap, here is my "free" bead breaker! 8)
(http://mysite.verizon.net/res184gd/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/IMG_1336_2_1.JPG)
It opens wide enough to accept a 205 car tire.
Looks like y'all had a good time though!!
Curtis
Here are a couple more.
That's a bead breaker Curtis! i have used the vice on my workbench, doesn't go that wide.
Bob ready for a test ride.
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Terry holding the bike helping break a tire bead with the kick stand.
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and all this time... I thought it was a kickstand... :shock:
Terry once again has a food session with wrenching involved and I didnt get an invitation.... :???: :shock: :lol:
Quote from: Greg Cothern on January 26, 2009, 09:08:20 PM
Terry once again has a food session with wrenching involved and I didnt get an invitation.... :???: :shock: :lol:
I delegated that to Bob, HE messed up. lol
;-)Hmmm, how can I keep Bob from reading this.
I am starting to think Terry is avoiding me.... :shock: :( :lol:
There has got to be a dollar floating around here someplace with Terry's prints on it, probably not the first time he has passed the buck......
I had tire changing in mind, not the food, Greg; that said, it was good!!!
As far as knowing how to change the tire, I think I had my hands on the tire twice, once when I gave them the new one and once when they gave me the old one. These are the kind of friends to have, I think John and Terry did more work changing my tires than I did!
Seriously, If you have a bunch of bikes, this unit is a good thing to have and pretty easy to use.
Bob, we are getting set-up!
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SWEET!!!!!!!!!! You got the gear!!! Well, I do want to wait for the next tire change, cannot afford another one soon!LOL. But I will bet the next one will be sooo easy!!!
Quote from: TLRam1 on January 27, 2009, 08:55:49 PM
Bob, we are getting set-up!
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And No SeaFoam..
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I feel like I'm
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Quote from: TLRam1 on January 27, 2009, 08:55:49 PM
Bob, we are getting set-up!
Hey Terry, where'd you get those rim protectors and how much were they? I tried splitting some 1/3 poly-flo tubing to make some but it kept slipping off the rim.
I need to quit being cheap and get the real thing!
Curtis
Quote from: Curtis_Valk on January 27, 2009, 09:43:49 PM
Quote from: TLRam1 on January 27, 2009, 08:55:49 PM
Bob, we are getting set-up!
Hey Terry, where'd you get those rim protectors and how much were they? I tried splitting some 1/3 poly-flo tubing to make some but it kept slipping off the rim.
I need to quit being cheap and get the real thing!
Curtis
Curtis,
I bought the cheap pliable rim protectors (kept losing their integrity), these I think will work better, at least they did the other day. They are the hard plastic type from Cycle Gear. I bought all they had, at least out, 11-12.00 per set. Nothing is definite yet as I work my way through the process and technique. One day I hope to give you and Allen a run for your money changing a tire.
Hoot, I have no Seafoam, I do have Berrymans. 8-)
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Quote from: TLRam1 on January 27, 2009, 10:36:22 PM
Hoot, I have no Seafoam, I do have Berrymans. 8-)
Since it is relatively the same size, shape, and purpose... This is acceptable..
(I don't want to be like a Harley rider...!) :lol:
Car tire arrived today (Yeah!!!!). So I have the 83 degree valve stems and the car tire.. Waiting on Dyna Beads.. Then to the local Bike shop... I figure I'll bring some starter fluid with me, just in case!!!
Here are some pictures...
Tire width comparison - Note: uninflated, the care tire does not seem to be any wider than the 150 Avon. Note: the Car tire is closer to the camera and makes it look a little larger.
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I took this one to show how much bevel there is on the edge of the tread. I don't know if all car tires have so much bevel
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Again Comparison with Avon, Car tire is closer to the camera
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Picture of the tread pattern
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Label - Upper right had side states 400 A/B
Tire is designed in Taiwan, but manufactured in China
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Side wall - 1 Ply Poly
Tread - 1 Ply Poly, 2 Ply Steel
Good looking tire Hoot!
It looks to have more of a beveled edge than I have seen. Thanks for the photos, I wanted to get an upclose of the tread design. With Roberts 165 we didn't need starter fluid, took air easily. I could tell mine would be a problem when it arrived.
Once Robert has his risers on properly I want to ride his more with the 165 for comparison.
Are the sidewalls very stiff? What do you think of the tire in person?
picture 3 and 4 no seafoam give yourself a ticket.
Quote from: TLRam1 on January 29, 2009, 11:55:21 PM
Good looking tire Hoot!
It looks to have more of a beveled edge than I have seen. Thanks for the photos, I wanted to get an upclose of the tread design. With Roberts 165 we didn't need starter fluid, took air easily. I could tell mine would be a problem when it arrived.
Are the sidewalls very stiff? What do you think of the tire in person?
I mentioned the beveled edge because I think it make the tire more like a 155 than a 165, do you want me to provide a tread width measurement to add to your specs?
This is why I supplied the ply info.. The side walls are NOT very stiff, and this brings me to some concern. I would prefer the sidewalls to be a little stiff (I think).. I would think I don't want the tire to be (warning Technical term approaching!!!) Smooshie.. :shock: This would allow lateral shifting of the rear of the bike in a turn.. I can be talked out of this line of thinking. Come on... Please.. Someone talk me out of this line of thinking!!!
Is there someway we can indicate the Smooshieness of the sidewalls???
Quote from: Jerry G Turner on January 30, 2009, 04:42:54 AM
picture 3 and 4 no seafoam give yourself a ticket.
Thanx for Caring Jerry... You can now be my Deputy!!!
There was no rule that every picture had SeaFoam in it, just that at least one in a series had it in it.
Since two of the pictures had SeaFoam in the background, the post more than complies with the guidelines.
As a side note.. One of the purposes for the SeaFoam rules:
This aids members in knowing if someone outside has hijacked your login, and the rest of the members know to ignore all information supplied. Now that you see the importance of the SeaFoam police, please comply..
The Seafoam Police
Quote from: hootmon on January 30, 2009, 06:11:30 AM
I mentioned the beveled edge because I think it make the tire more like a 155 than a 165, do you want me to provide a tread width measurement to add to your specs?
Yes, I can add the measurement info along with my other. Not only tread width but the same I had on my previous post. I have to run, we need to measure tread width the same way. I used a level on top of my tire for an accurate diameter measurement.
I'm saying 4 1/4" tread width. I'm measuring just outside the last bead on each side (See Picture #2 above) where the bevel really starts to fall off (Here is a picture with a measuring tape)...
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25 5/16th tall
QuoteThere was no rule that every picture had SeaFoam in it, just that at least one in a series had it in it.
Since to of the pictures had SeaFoam in the background, the post more than complies with the guidelines.
And he is making the rules.
Quote from: DG on January 30, 2009, 11:12:08 AM
QuoteThere was no rule that every picture had SeaFoam in it, just that at least one in a series had it in it.
Since to of the pictures had SeaFoam in the background, the post more than complies with the guidelines.
And he is making the rules.
And as Deputy, I expect you to enforce it!!! We didn't get any bail-out money, so we need to increase the number of fines we are issuing!!
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I've been without power for 3 days at my house and you want to ticket me for no seafoam in my web blogs. I got an idea, come on up to arkansas with your deputy and you can cut trees away from the power lines.... :lol:
QuoteAnd as Deputy, I expect you to enforce it!!! We didn't get any bail-out money, so we need to increase the number of fines we are issuing!!
?? I don't remember being deputized. First I have heard of that
Why, I am just a law abiding MOOTster trying to stay outa trouble, sir*.
*as I mumble "pig" under my breath. :wink:
Quote from: hootmon on January 30, 2009, 11:26:22 AM
Quote from: DG on January 30, 2009, 11:12:08 AM
QuoteThere was no rule that every picture had SeaFoam in it, just that at least one in a series had it in it.
Since to of the pictures had SeaFoam in the background, the post more than complies with the guidelines.
And he is making the rules.
And as Deputy, I expect you to enforce it!!! We didn't get any bail-out money, so we need to increase the number of fines we are issuing!!
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You're not catching me on your cop-mobile.
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Quote from: DG on January 30, 2009, 12:57:51 PM
QuoteAnd as Deputy, I expect you to enforce it!!! We didn't get any bail-out money, so we need to increase the number of fines we are issuing!!
?? I don't remember being deputized. First I have heard of that
Why, I am just a law abiding MOOTster trying to stay outa trouble, sir*.
*as I mumble "pig" under my breath. :wink:
Quote from: hootmon on January 30, 2009, 06:44:40 AM
Thanx for Caring Jerry... You can now be my Deputy!!!
One of your photos has chalk mark, what is the measurement from the outside edge of the chalk marks? Maybe I will wait for your photos.
Quote from: TLRam1 on January 30, 2009, 01:09:50 PM
You're not catching me on your cop-mobile.
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Quote from: hootmon on January 30, 2009, 11:26:22 AM
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Must we forget.
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Quote from: hootmon on January 30, 2009, 01:17:32 PM
Quote from: TLRam1 on January 30, 2009, 01:09:50 PM
You're not catching me on your cop-mobile.
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That Harley ain't happening!
Quote from: TLRam1 on January 30, 2009, 01:25:59 PM
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That Harley ain't happening!
I say it's a VT1100 Spirit!!!
QuoteQuote
And as Deputy, I expect you to enforce it!!! We didn't get any bail-out money, so we need to increase the number of fines we are issuing!!
?? I don't remember being deputized. First I have heard of that
Why, I am just a law abiding MOOTster trying to stay outa trouble, sir*.
*as I mumble "pig" under my breath.
Quote from: hootmon on Today at 06:44:40 AM
Thanx for Caring Jerry... You can now be my Deputy!!!
but... I am NOT Jerry. This is DG!
Quote from: DG on January 30, 2009, 02:17:07 PM
QuoteQuote
And as Deputy, I expect you to enforce it!!! We didn't get any bail-out money, so we need to increase the number of fines we are issuing!!
?? I don't remember being deputized. First I have heard of that
Why, I am just a law abiding MOOTster trying to stay outa trouble, sir*.
*as I mumble "pig" under my breath.
Quote from: hootmon on Today at 06:44:40 AM
Thanx for Caring Jerry... You can now be my Deputy!!!
but... I am NOT Jerry. This is DG!
I'll have none of that lippy back talk Deputy.. Get to work!!! :shock:
I have chainsaw's ready when you really want to go to wok Hoot..... you can arrest the trees for falling on the power lines.... :grin:
Quote from: L J BAD MAG on January 30, 2009, 02:40:23 PM
I have chainsaw's ready when you really want to go to wok Hoot..... you can arrest the trees for falling on the power lines.... :grin:
Chainsaw sounds like a lot a work..
I prefer Flame Throwers.. - No dumpster needed! (http://i41.tinypic.com/5dsbb9.jpg)
QuoteI'll have none of that lippy back talk Deputy.. Get to work!!!
Spoken like a true cop!!
Quote from: hootmon on January 30, 2009, 11:03:16 AM
I'm saying 4 1/4" tread width. I'm measuring just outside the last bead on each side (See Picture #2 above) where the bevel really starts to fall off (Here is a picture with a measuring tape)...
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25 5/16th tall
deputy dog here 1 picture no seafoam fine yourself a hundred dollars send the money to me
Quote from: Jerry G Turner on January 30, 2009, 10:27:27 PM
Quote from: hootmon on January 30, 2009, 11:03:16 AM
I'm saying 4 1/4" tread width. I'm measuring just outside the last bead on each side (See Picture #2 above) where the bevel really starts to fall off (Here is a picture with a measuring tape)...
(http://i40.tinypic.com/24euqo4.jpg)
25 5/16th tall
deputy dog here 1 picture no seafoam fine yourself a hundred dollars send the money to me
The Red lettering next to the 2 states SeaFoam Motor Treatment.. It's a little blurry.. :smile:
for shame for shame lying to the deputy make that a 2 hundred dollar fine
Come on over.. I'll show you!!!
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Good news, bad news, need advice....
Good News.. My Dyna Beads arrived in the mail today...
bad news, Took the tire down to the bike shop to have it installed..
Avon tire came right off..
Added new 83 degree Valve stem, no problem
No problems getting tire on the rim, added the Dyna beads.. (3 Oz)
We could NOT get the tire to bead.. And we tried just about everything...
Two types of soap, and WD 40 as a lubricant..
Ran the tire up to 90 PSI many times
Tried Starter fluid
Tried a device called a bead setter (large hand held air tank that lets the air out all at once against the bead)
No go...
OK.. So advice.. The guy at the bike shop suggested taking it to a car tire place, as they can inflate the tire higher than 90 lbs.. Humm...
At this point there is probably so much soap and WD 40 that the dyna beads will probably not work..
I am going to deflate the tire.. Try to dry out the dyna beads..
Then what?? Should I go the car tire center route???
I did not bring my truck gauge to read what it took for my bike but I believe it was over 100 psi. So I would try a car or truck shop.
Quote from: Magnum Magna on January 31, 2009, 03:18:07 PM
I did not bring my truck gauge to read what it took for my bike but I believe it was over 100 psi. So I would try a car or truck shop.
Thanx Robert.. Any other votes??
Got your message, I was out riding for a change or I would have anwsered sooner.
1. Dyna Beads do not need to go in until the tire has "set the bead". (which you now know)
2. Starter fluid will not help the issue you are having.
3. Warm the tire up considerably.
4. Robert says over 100 PSI, I don't know (gauge only reads to 50) so I can't discount that. If I were to guess I would have said around 80. I now have a gauge that will go the distance next time.
5. Try Ruglyde from NAPA. Rub the lube into the rubber bead with your fingers if you can. There are 2 kinds, I have used the premium. Get this stuff on the bead of the tire before the tire rests against the side of the rim.
6. Bounce the tire around as you inflate, use a rubber mallet.
7. Let it set a few minutes after you inflate to a high PSI. One side of mine popped out while sitting as I was pondering. :cool:
8. Bring it over here and we will seat the bead. :-P
Keep me posted.
Quote from: TLRam1 on January 31, 2009, 04:54:24 PM
Got your message, I was out riding for a change or I would have anwsered sooner.
8. Bring it over here and we will seat the bead.
Be careful what you say...You may find a box on your doorstep.. :grin:
Terry I was thinking you said your tank was 115 psi that is what I was going by.
Quote from: Magnum Magna on January 31, 2009, 06:31:22 PM
Terry I was thinking you said your tank was 115 psi that is what I was going by.
It was up to 120 but it takes a certain amount of air to push a said amount in your tire unless you allow time to equalize. As fast as it was pushing the air in I had to have a decent amount of pressure in the air tank. I am not saying your wrong Robert, you just might be right. Mine is just a guess. :-P
Quote from: hootmon on January 31, 2009, 05:04:26 PM
Quote from: TLRam1 on January 31, 2009, 04:54:24 PM
Got your message, I was out riding for a change or I would have anwsered sooner.
8. Bring it over here and we will seat the bead.
Be careful what you say...You may find a box on your doorstep.. :grin:
One cavet, YOU come with the tire as written above! :lol: :lol:
So where are we at now, do you have air? Go somewhere open tonight and get after it! You're at the easy part, get it done.
Well saw Bobs new tire today man that is cool he came to R/C field and watch some flying among our other adventures I will let him tell the tale I will just say he has no luck with batterys !!!!
Was Bob down on business or come to see the RC toys? His tire does look good on the bike!
Quote from: TLRam1 on January 31, 2009, 07:36:43 PM
YOU come with the tire as written above! :lol: :lol:
If I come, it will be on the bike, which is not an option presently...
Nope his daughter lives down here and he was down seeing the grand kids!!!
Hoot why are you posting You should be pulling an all niter getting your bead to seat.
'Bob's adventure... see new post in Garage. "battery"
I see you on the forum Hoot, is it seated??? Than why are you on here. :-P :-P
At a superbowl party... Will be Monday/Tuesday before I get a chance to do something..
Just out of curosity did you break the tire back down to make that none of the dyna beads accidently ended up between the tire bead and the rim?
Quote from: hootmon on February 01, 2009, 05:14:51 PM
At a superbowl party... Will be Monday/Tuesday before I get a chance to do something..
Superbowl break, I understand. I have a friend who throws a hunters Superbowl party each year where all the game shot by the hunters are cooked, grill, bacon wrapped, etc. from around the world. What a feast, Deer, Elk, Pheasant, Dove, and the list goes on, made into chili, kabobs, stuffed about anyway you can imagine.
Quote from: TLRam1 on February 01, 2009, 10:07:22 PM
Superbowl break, I understand. I have a friend who throws a hunters Superbowl party each year where all the game shot by the hunters are cooked, grill, bacon wrapped, etc. from around the world. What a feast, Deer, Elk, Pheasant, Dove, and the list goes on, made into chili, kabobs, stuffed about anyway you can imagine.
Come on Terry.. I think you are even selling yourself a little short here.. .You probably have more than "a friend"!!! Someone on this forum would probably consider you their friend, even if they wouldn't type it as evidence!!! :lol:
BTW .. Is the above considered an invite to your friend's house for next years Superbowl party???
Charles, The beads are small enough, I wouldn't overly worry about a bead or two getting stuck in the tire bead area.. But the answer to you question so far is I have not broken the bead on the tire and removed the dyna beads (too many "beads" in this sentence!!!). but I will.
Quote from: TLRam1 on February 01, 2009, 10:07:22 PM
What a feast, Deer, Elk, Pheasant, Dove, and the list goes on, made into chili, kabobs, stuffed about anyway you can imagine.
My neighbor invited me over for the game and some venison chili. So I went over at halftime for some Chili.
Quote from: Magnum Magna on February 02, 2009, 07:25:45 PM
Quote from: TLRam1 on February 01, 2009, 10:07:22 PM
What a feast, Deer, Elk, Pheasant, Dove, and the list goes on, made into chili, kabobs, stuffed about anyway you can imagine.
My neighbor invited me over for the game and some venison chili. So I went over at halftime for some Chili.
We had 2 different chilis, one was Elk and tasty, the other I never made it to.
Hoot, I hope I have lots of friends for sure, maybe some varying degrees of how well I know them even some in FL I never met! :lol:
Now quit trying to shirk the conversation and back to beading YOUR tire!
I know Terry is sitting at home wondering about my car tire... I'm working on it now.. Instead of going to the Plant City bike night.. I had to go to a funeral this morning..
I will update more later today as to how things went...
I bought a couple of tire irons from Harbor Freight.. They are normally $12 but were on sale for $5.. I also bought some rubber dip. I dipped the irons in (I covered the tips and removed the covers, so they wouldn't have rubber on them..)
I removed the tire, washed out the tire to remove all the WD-40. I salvaged as many Dyna beads as I could, washed those out too.. (hey there ceramic so they should be nearly indestructible.)
One of the things I did was polish the rims where the tire slides up to the seat. These are machined, but not polished so there are small ribs in the aluminum.. by polishing these, I believe it made it easier for the tire to slide up on to the seat.. (Hey, I can believe it if I wish..)
Bing!!! Break out the Champagne!!! I finally got both sides to seat..
According to the cheap dial gauge on the Pancake compressor I borrowed, ~115 lbs, I got one side to seat.
let the air out re-RuGlyded the other side... and got it to pop at about 115- 117 lbs..
I will post a couple of pictures Monday..
Off to put in Dyna Beads, so I can get the tire back on the bike... Yea!!!!
Quote from: hootmon on February 07, 2009, 02:27:54 PM
I know Terry is sitting at home wondering about my car tire... I'm working on it now.. Instead of going to the Plant City bike night.. I had to go to a funeral this morning..
I will update more later today as to how things went...
I WAS wondering when you would get around to the tire and resisted bugging you further, about to post last night but thought I would give it a bit longer. A week to seat a tire, you could have been here and back before than. I would be ashamed to come and post that. :-P :-P Must have been the polishing huh or just maybe the Ruglyde.
The main thing is you have it seated and Now have a new tire on and a car tire at that! (http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa214/TLRam1/Smilies/210.gif)
So what do you think? Are you through drinking champagne where you can go in a parking lot for a wobbly driving test? (http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa214/TLRam1/Smilies/smiley_beer.gif)
Quote from: TLRam1 on February 07, 2009, 06:34:20 PM
Quote from: hootmon on February 07, 2009, 02:27:54 PM
I know Terry is sitting at home wondering about my car tire... I'm working on it now.. Instead of going to the Plant City bike night.. I had to go to a funeral this morning..
I will update more later today as to how things went...
I WAS wondering when you would get around to the tire and resisted bugging you further, about to post last night but thought I would give it a bit longer. A week to seat a tire, you could have been here and back before than. I would be ashamed to come and post that. :-P :-P Must have been the polishing huh or just maybe the Ruglyde.
The main thing is you have it seated and Now have a new tire on and a car tire at that! (http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa214/TLRam1/Smilies/210.gif)
So what do you think? Are you through drinking champagne where you can go in a parking lot for a wobbly driving test? (http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa214/TLRam1/Smilies/smiley_beer.gif)
All right, I've seen enough.
How are you getting the other emoticons in your post? I must know.
Quote from: Smoked U on February 07, 2009, 06:55:47 PM
Quote from: TLRam1 on February 07, 2009, 06:34:20 PM
Quote from: hootmon on February 07, 2009, 02:27:54 PM
I know Terry is sitting at home wondering about my car tire... I'm working on it now.. Instead of going to the Plant City bike night.. I had to go to a funeral this morning..
I will update more later today as to how things went...
I WAS wondering when you would get around to the tire and resisted bugging you further, about to post last night but thought I would give it a bit longer. A week to seat a tire, you could have been here and back before than. I would be ashamed to come and post that. :-P :-P Must have been the polishing huh or just maybe the Ruglyde.
The main thing is you have it seated and Now have a new tire on and a car tire at that! (http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa214/TLRam1/Smilies/210.gif)
So what do you think? Are you through drinking champagne where you can go in a parking lot for a wobbly driving test? (http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa214/TLRam1/Smilies/smiley_beer.gif)
All right, I've seen enough.
How are you getting the other emoticons in your post? I must know.
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you must pay the admin more dollars or you should have bought his lunch today!
Quote from: Smoked U on February 07, 2009, 06:55:47 PM
Quote from: TLRam1 on February 07, 2009, 06:34:20 PM
Quote from: hootmon on February 07, 2009, 02:27:54 PM
I know Terry is sitting at home wondering about my car tire... I'm working on it now.. Instead of going to the Plant City bike night.. I had to go to a funeral this morning..
I will update more later today as to how things went...
I WAS wondering when you would get around to the tire and resisted bugging you further, about to post last night but thought I would give it a bit longer. A week to seat a tire, you could have been here and back before than. I would be ashamed to come and post that. :-P :-P Must have been the polishing huh or just maybe the Ruglyde.
The main thing is you have it seated and Now have a new tire on and a car tire at that! (http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa214/TLRam1/Smilies/210.gif)
So what do you think? Are you through drinking champagne where you can go in a parking lot for a wobbly driving test? (http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa214/TLRam1/Smilies/smiley_beer.gif)
All right, I've seen enough.
How are you getting the other emoticons in your post? I must know.
This is where to go.
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I think I got blocked from telling.
Sorry
Took the bike out for a quick test ride.. - chain was a little to tight, so came back and loosened it a bit.. Took it out again, got it up to 75, smooth as a bowling ball.. I does handle a little different, but that is expected.. Presently running 40 PSI.. (max pressure 44 PSI- 10%). I'll run it there for a few days..
BTW.. have a secret for getting Dyna beads into the tire.. (Especially if you have a right hand bend fill valve).
Take the clear tube that is supplied with the bottle from Dyna Beads... remove valve core.. screw the tube onto the fill valve. Fill the tube about 1/2 full (a couple of inches worth) with the bottle, then take a bulb (turkey baster type - I used a Radiator fluid tester that I had) put it on the end of the tube and exercise the bulb drawing the beads up and down.. a few times of this and the beads are all in.. repeat.. This works much better than the vibration technique suggested..
Quote from: TLRam1 on February 07, 2009, 07:30:47 PM
Quote from: Smoked U on February 07, 2009, 06:55:47 PM
Quote from: TLRam1 on February 07, 2009, 06:34:20 PM
Quote from: hootmon on February 07, 2009, 02:27:54 PM
I know Terry is sitting at home wondering about my car tire... I'm working on it now.. Instead of going to the Plant City bike night.. I had to go to a funeral this morning..
I will update more later today as to how things went...
I WAS wondering when you would get around to the tire and resisted bugging you further, about to post last night but thought I would give it a bit longer. A week to seat a tire, you could have been here and back before than. I would be ashamed to come and post that. :-P :-P Must have been the polishing huh or just maybe the Ruglyde.
The main thing is you have it seated and Now have a new tire on and a car tire at that! (http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa214/TLRam1/Smilies/210.gif)
So what do you think? Are you through drinking champagne where you can go in a parking lot for a wobbly driving test? (http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa214/TLRam1/Smilies/smiley_beer.gif)
All right, I've seen enough.
How are you getting the other emoticons in your post? I must know.
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you must pay the admin more dollars or you should have bought his lunch today!
Vee haf vays of finding zees things out.
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Like that?
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Couple diff ones
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color=blue]Vee haf vays of finding zees things out.[/color]
You do have a way with words! I like that!! :-P :-P :cool:
Dave, tmds3 must have paid his dues. (http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa214/TLRam1/Smilies/icon_hail2.gif)
Terry the bank notified me that your funds were insuficient........ :shock:
Quote from: Greg Cothern on February 08, 2009, 08:50:36 AM
Terry the bank notified me that your funds were insuficient........ :shock:
Opps (http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa214/TLRam1/Smilies/p036.gif)
(http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa214/TLRam1/Smilies/icon_headscratch.gif)........................(http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa214/TLRam1/Smilies/itwashim3.gif)Darn Hoot!
Back on topic!!!
Here are some pictures, if you are interested...
Popping the bead
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Popping the bead...
Decided the yard was a better place for the tire to blow up than the garage!
Note I could hide behind the Concrete fence...
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Brake Stay Gap
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Finished Product
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All pictures approved by the SeaFoam Police..
Looks good, I like the tread design..
Trying to be sneaky with that can of Seafoam, eh??? :cool: :-)
Quote from: DG on February 09, 2009, 11:56:57 AM
Trying to be sneaky with that can of Seafoam, eh??? :cool: :-)
(http://i41.tinypic.com/oaya8k.jpg) (http://i41.tinypic.com/oaya8k.jpg) (http://i41.tinypic.com/oaya8k.jpg)
Did you find them all??
Quote from: hootmon on February 09, 2009, 12:26:01 PM
Quote from: DG on February 09, 2009, 11:56:57 AM
Trying to be sneaky with that can of Seafoam, eh??? :cool: :-)
(http://i41.tinypic.com/oaya8k.jpg) (http://i41.tinypic.com/oaya8k.jpg) (http://i41.tinypic.com/oaya8k.jpg)
Did you find them all??
Well I see one peaking through and another you are using as a parking brake. Lol.
Looks good Hoot! Once you have more ride time you need to update your ride report.
Did you put monies back in the Admin account so I can use smiley's again, you know to cover the bounced check?
Across the street by the mailbox and the first two pics it must be holding the tire up unlees you hid it behind your mailbox.
hoot, gotta ask what that is on your backrest, looks like could be a "V" or possibly an eagle
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Charles - Yes, Near the mail box in 4 of the pictures...
Backrest - good eye!!!
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I gotta ask.... How can the seafoam police approve all pictures if the minority of the pictures contained seafoam!!! I'm calling for a vote of no confidence against hootmon, aka seafoam police. :x
All in favor say Aye
Quote from: Jester on February 11, 2009, 07:03:35 PM
I gotta ask.... How can the seafoam police approve all pictures if the minority of the pictures contained seafoam!!! I'm calling for a vote of no confidence against hootmon, aka seafoam police. :x
All in favor say Aye
All pictures include SeaFoam
I think you've been staring at the can of seafoam too long hoot. LOOK AWAY FROM THE LIGHT :lol: I only saw it in two of them.
Quote from: Jester on February 12, 2009, 06:03:59 PM
I think you've been staring at the can of seafoam too long hoot. LOOK AWAY FROM THE LIGHT :lol: I only saw it in two of them.
Look closer, by the mailboxes... Look Closer, no I said CLOSER...
Ok..
SO all of you that are contemplating going to the Dark Side.. (http://i39.tinypic.com/2n7l3bb.jpg) Here seems to be an important factor in your tire selection.. Side wall stiffness.. The stiffer the better..
The tire I purchased "Nankang" has only 1 poly ply in the side walls.. This makes the side walls very flexible and light, which MAY be an advantage on a car, but not on a Motorcycle.
The result of the non-stiff side walls is quite a bit of "smooshiness" (That's a technical term for those who don't know). What this means is you slow down before a turn, go into the turn, and accelerate, right?
When you accelerate with non-stiff side walls the tire flexes. This drives the rear tire outside the turn during the turn.
If you have ever been on a motorcycle with a big rear tire (240 etc) you have felt the offset that is caused by the rear tire taking a different track than the front tire.. This is what if feels like with a soft sidewall. The only difference between a larger rear tire feel and a flexing sidewall, is the large tire is a consistent offset, where a flexing sidewall varies this effect based on acceleration... (somewhat un-nerving). Think sort of the firetruck that has the guy that steers in the back as well...
I think I would really like the tire, IF it has stiff sidewalls. It is quiet, provides good traction and other than the smooshiness, handles well in cornering situations (that's kinda like hearing from the doctor that the operation was a complete success, but the patient died).
Questions???
What PSI are you at.
Curtis, how many plys are in your sidewalls?
Quote from: Magnum Magna on February 12, 2009, 09:41:06 PM
What PSI are you at.
Presently 50 lbs.. The tire is rated at 44 lbs max..
Quote from: TLRam1 on February 12, 2009, 11:51:44 PM
Curtis, how many plys are in your sidewalls?
and what are the plys made of? Aramid is stiffer than Poly..
Quote from: TLRam1 on February 12, 2009, 11:51:44 PM
Curtis, how many plys are in your sidewalls?
I'll try to remember to check this afternoon when I get home. I will have two examples. Remind me if I forget to check.
Curtis
I will admit that it does possibly look like a can of seafoam in the pictures next to the mailboxes.... but then again it could be a bottle of ketchup. I will give you the benefit of the doubt this time Hoot. :-D Cuz i'm suchhhh a nice guy! Sneaky Hoot, I'll get even :-p
Quote from: Jester on February 13, 2009, 09:00:12 AM
I'll get even :-p
With that, I have no doubt you will try!!!
At the MC annual meeting I was at last night I noticed 2 guys had car tires, talking with one whose bike was none other than a 1800 VTX tricked out a bit. He mentioned running a high PSI similar to a MC tire for the same reasons you referenced Hoot.
Quote from: TLRam1 on February 13, 2009, 02:33:19 PM
At the MC annual meeting I was at last night I noticed 2 guys had car tires, talking with one whose bike was none other than a 1800 VTX tricked out a bit. He mentioned running a high PSI similar to a MC tire for the same reasons you referenced Hoot.
Any chance you noticed Side wall plys? Did both of them have the same thoughts, or did you only talk to the one with the VTX?
What was the other bike?
You're such a Tease...
I forgot about the fellows once we pulled into the restaurant to eat. The one VTX I happened upon as we were leaving and checking his ride out. He was running a Goodyear Assurance, too dark to see the plys. I was admiring his LED's. :-P THAN I noticed his CT.
Maybe more than 2 last night, these I happened upon as one rode directly in front of me and the other I told you about.
We need to check the internet for this info regarding plys.
I apologize for taking so long but here is the picture of an old stock tire, new 170-80-15, and the dark side.
(http://www.geocities.com/myunclesam1776/moot/image003.jpg)
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I don't own any sea .... (four letter word) I just changed my oil so here is some Rotella T.
At 45 PSI it was very hard no softness in the turns or accelerating out of a turn. At 35 it has a little softness. It took a little getting use to that sensation but I feel like it is griping the road. I have been meaning to try 40 PSI and the next time we ride two up I think I will push it up to 40.
Rotella T, good stuff! ;-) I still want to ride your bike more Robert when we have a chance and you get your handlebars to stay on. :-P :lol:
Quote from: TLRam1 on February 20, 2009, 02:46:00 PM
I still want to ride your bike more Robert when we have a chance and you get your handlebars to stay on.
Handlebars, Smandlebars.. What you will ride on a car tire, but not if there's a handlebar issue??
What.... Are you Chicken?? :P
Just Joking... What's up with the Handlebars??? Too much input to compensate for the car tire???
No response necessary..
Rotella - Hey if you believe in the product, and you don't have SF.. Then the effort is acceptable!!!
I have had my share of handlebars coming off more than once! If you come out of it okay, it's all good!! but if ya don't......:twisted: so far so good.
The handle bars were twisting in the risers. I must have tightened them down differently this time because they are not twisting.
Okay well I am going to the Darkside for MOOTMag I have found that motorcycle tire have gone thru the roof so I found a discount tire that had 2 of the BF Goodrich TA Radials in the 155/80/15 flavor. I will be getting one of these and installing before MOOTMag now I have found 2 places that sell the Dynabeads and am thinking about those to.
If I do go with the Dynabeads can anyone tell me how much beads I will need or how many oz ?
Anybody that is Houston who wants to come watch me blow my self up when seating the bead you are more than welcome to come watch the mayhem and see how a tire gets changed in TEN MINUTES !!!!! :shock: :shock: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: roboto65 on June 04, 2009, 06:26:37 AM
Okay well I am going to the Darkside for MOOTMag I have found that motorcycle tire have gone thru the roof so I found a discount tire that had 2 of the BF Goodrich TA Radials in the 155/80/15 flavor. I will be getting one of these and installing before MOOTMag now I have found 2 places that sell the Dynabeads and am thinking about those to.
If I do go with the Dynabeads can anyone tell me how much beads I will need or how many oz ?
Anybody that is Houston who wants to come watch me blow my self up when seating the bead you are more than welcome to come watch the mayhem and see how a tire gets changed in TEN MINUTES !!!!! :shock: :shock: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I'd go with at least 2 oz, Maybe 3 - I think I put about 2.5 in mine.
I have posted this before, but the best way I have found to get the beads in, is to take out the tire core, use the clear plastic tube provided with the bottle (Any tube that fits on the valve stem will due, but clear is helpful). Half fill the tube, then use a baster of some type to pump the beads up and down.. This works pretty well.. (I used a Radiator Hydrometer) - add more beads and repeat..
10 minute tire change! HA HA HA that is a good one!
Allen's 10 minute translates in real time to 55 minutes!
Quote from: Greg Cothern on June 04, 2009, 05:23:24 PM
10 minute tire change! HA HA HA that is a good one!
Allen's 10 minute translates in real time to 55 minutes!
At the risk of making Queenie mad..
That's like Bathroom time warp time..
Ahhh... That's like when my wife says from the bathroom "I'll be ready in 10 minutes!!!"
Hey Ten minutes is doable I was just tired from the TIGGER dance LOL Oh and it WAS 20 degrees out :shock: :shock: :lol: :lol:
Ok tire is on boy I was wondering if the seat was going to go or not but it went no noise or pops and put 3oz of Dynabeads in there for good measure !!!!!
Quote from: roboto65 on June 08, 2009, 03:21:58 PM
Ok tire is on boy I was wondering if the seat was going to go or not but it went no noise or pops and put 3oz of Dynabeads in there for good measure !!!!!
Sounds like you shouldn't have gone with the16" tire, but the 15"!!! :lol:
I had to go 115 PSI to get mine to seat.. (hiding behind a cement wall!!)
Quote from: roboto65 on June 05, 2009, 07:46:51 AM
Hey Ten minutes is doable I was just tired from the TIGGER dance LOL Oh and it WAS 20 degrees out :shock: :shock: :lol: :lol:
Where's your photos? Was it difficult getting the tire mounted?
Quote from: Magnum Magna on February 20, 2009, 06:45:12 PM
The handle bars were twisting in the risers. I must have tightened them down differently this time because they are not twisting.
Reminder ....be
very careful with the torque on the handlebar riser clamps........if I recall correctly the screws only take 7in-lb torque and have a nasty tendency to snap if over torqued....check the service manual for the proper torque on these screws.......
Well I hhave a can of WD40 in there no Seafoam around LOL deal with it :lol: :lol:
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Hehehehehe the last one is the candyman with a Grasscarp LOL
Allen
Good effort on the SeaFoam
Nice Fender on the Magna!!!
How many side wall belts does the tire have? I'm interested in how much lateral motion you experience in corners..
Also what PSI are you running??? Have you settled on that yet?
Not yet and not many on the sidewall it was very flexable when it was off the rim have not really tested it yet and I took the wheelwieght off so time will tell I will sure test it good on the way to MOOTMaG!!
The reason I ask is my tire only has 1 Poly belt on the side.. Two would be much better I would think.. Just planning ahead..
It would be great to get several Magna's all together that have different Car tires and let everyone try each and fill out a survey on different characteristics.. We might be able to come up with a pretty good consciences on pro's / con's / recommended's / not-recommended's -
OK, nobody has updated this thread in a while.. So here you go..
I've got about 10,000 miles on my Car tire now..
I think the tread is wearing excellently (Very even) with no noticable difference in handling since the install.
Here are some pictures..
10K picture
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Original picture..
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It does look like you wore off the white line down he middle. :P Wow, it looks great Hoot! How many miles do you think you can get?
Seafoam, yea I see it. :lol:
I would hope I get at least another 10K..
Quote from: hootmon on October 05, 2009, 12:17:58 PM
I would hope I get at least another 10K..
looks good.
I'm going to do darkside to my Magna as well when my rear tire goes bald.
I've felt I've accumulated a lot of miles on my rear tire but it still has great tread.
No odometer so I can't know for sure....last 4 years give or take?
I'm guessing I've been riding maybe 2,000 miles a year...
and this year 2008/2009, i've ridden about 12,000 miles/year since I don't go to college anymore :)
My rear tire on my 95 VF750 is a 140/90/15. I measured it to be:
wide - 6 1/8
high - 26 1/2
tread - 7 5/8.
I thought a 140 would be smaller than a 150. This is so confusing. When I buy a new rear tire I want something wider (just to look cooler). My height is fine.
The people that created this tire language are the same Rat Bastards that make us buy flat screen TVs and then when you play a DVD it only fills 2/3 of the screen. WPWW.
Quote from: barkymarky on October 07, 2009, 05:45:44 PM
My rear tire on my 95 VF750 is a 140/90/15. I measured it to be:
wide - 6 1/8
high - 26 1/2
tread - 7 5/8.
I thought a 140 would be smaller than a 150. This is so confusing. When I buy a new rear tire I want something wider (just to look cooler). My height is fine.
The people that created this tire language are the same Rat Bastards that make us buy flat screen TVs and then when you play a DVD it only fills 2/3 of the screen. WPWW.
What brand of tire do you have? The Dunlop 140 overall width is narrower than the 150.
The brand is a Continental.
Quote from: barkymarky on October 07, 2009, 05:45:44 PM
My rear tire on my 95 VF750 is a 140/90/15. I measured it to be:
wide - 6 1/8
high - 26 1/2
tread - 7 5/8.
I thought a 140 would be smaller than a 150. This is so confusing. When I buy a new rear tire I want something wider (just to look cooler). My height is fine.
The people that created this tire language are the same Rat Bastards that make us buy flat screen TVs and then when you play a DVD it only fills 2/3 of the screen. WPWW.
How many side wall ply's does it have??
Remember that the tire sizing goes like this:
140 is tread section wide in mm, 90 is an aspect ratio for sidewall height being 90% of the tread section width 140mm
140 * 0.90 = 126mm sidewall height.
IF you were to run a 150/80 (stock size) it would be 10mm wider and only 120mm tall.
A 180/70 is 126mm tall on sidewall
a 170/80 is 136mm tall
etc
etc
The 170/80 is pretty much the tallest widest tire that will fit under the Magna without major modifications. IT will require a brakestay rod change/modification. The 180/70 also a VERY good choice also.
HOWEVER remember that depending on the tire manufactuer that there is still some slight differences in these real-world measurements. For example that Metzelers have a more aggressive tread to sidewall blend (greater lean angles and still have tread) than say a Dunlop.
OK, I bit the bullet on the 2nd '96, and bought a "Nanking" car tire that looks for all the world like the pics that Hoot posted.
There are no markings on the tire, at least that I could find, that shows a preferred direction of rotation. In fact, if you examine the tread, it seem perfectly asymmetric about the center of the tire.
Man, what a rassle to get the old tire off!!. I had bought a "motorcycle bead breaker" from Harbor Freight, (which works OK, but I had to add a cheater pipe to have a hope of breaking the beads loose) but I had to return and buy two of their tire irons (they were on sale, I paid $7.56 for the pair including tax, title and license!) only after inflicting a couple of ugly dings in the rim with the crowbars I was trying to use. The "nearside" wall was not too difficult to pry off the rim, but the "farside" was a major pain.
I notice there are two dots on the sidewall. One is red, the other is a yellow circle. I presume that the idea is to line up one of these lovely markings with the valve stem? If so, which one?
I bought some of the "magic beads" to use for balancing, but the wheel has quite a bit of weight on it already. What is recommended, that I leave these in place and see if the dyna-beads will balance the tire OK? It is hard for me to believe that my formerly beautiful, cast and machined aluminum wheel could be out of balance far enough to need this wad of weights. I have ridden the bike at speed, and it is smooth -- so I have to believe the tire/wheel is well balanced...
And finally, does anyone have any sage advice as to how to persuade the new tire onto the rim? Soapy water? Dance to the tire god? A burnt offering of the old tire to appease the evil spirits that make this so difficult?
I do not have a tire machine, and was able to install the tire with HF tire irons by hand, a lot of sweat and a few choice words...
Believe it or not - that was not the hard part.. Getting the tire to seat, was the hard part..
I tried several different things including polishing the bead on the ream to make it smoother so the tire would slide easier.. I also went down to Napa and bought a gallon of RuGLYDE - which is made for the purpose of mounting tires (I'm not convinced it worked any better than some soapy water, but probably won't corrode the rim)...
I had to get the tire up to 115 PSI to get the tire to fully pop onto the rim..
Most of this is covered in earlier posts..
I would mark where the weights are on the rim and take the weights off.. the Dyna Beads should balance out the tire with no problems. Otherwise the beads will mostly be counter-acting the weights...
I used about 2.5 oz of beads and it works great..
Let me know if you want me to mail you some RuGLYDE - I still have just about a gallon!!! I think Terry might have some as well..
As a last resort, you could always spray some starter fluid inside the tire and seat it with a match.
Quote from: BA on November 07, 2009, 10:19:21 AM
As a last resort, you could always spray some starter fluid inside the tire and seat it with a match.
Tried it.. Not nearly enough!!!
Hoot, you were right on the pressure to seat the beads. I noticed that the cautions on the tire label said not to exceed 40 psi, including to seat the beads, so I used a tire chuck with a lock on it, set the tire waaaay out there in the driveway, got out a looooonnng air hose, and slowly increased the pressure at the regulator. At 100 psi, I heard a "pop" -- OK, it is done, says I. So I backed off the pressure, retrieved the tire, and let the air out -- only to see that the other side had not seated. So, back we go for a second bite of the explosive apple. At 115 psi, the second pop occured.
You were right on the weights, too. I rigged up the "poor man's static balance system" shown in the picture, and sure enough, the valve stem, with the weights adjacent quickly rolled to the bottom. After removing both weights, it still rolls the valve stem down, just not as fast. Maybe the red dot was supposed to go opposite the valve stem?
In any case, the conclusion I draw from this simple experiment is that the MC tire was seriously out of balance. I would expect the wheel without any tire to wind up valve stem down (wish I had thought to try this before I mounted the dark side tire!) so the car tire is probably pretty close all by itself. I will put the dyna beads in tomorrow or later next week, and then put both wheels with new tires back on the bike.
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You may have read this.. But I'll reiterate.. The best way I have found to get the beads in is to use a baster of some type (I used a Radiator fluid testor).. Put some beads in a clear tube (which is fitted over the valve stem) then use the baster to pump the beads up and down, withing a few pumps all the beads are in, refill the tube and repeat..
I also used a long hose and a clip type air chuck and hid behind a small wall..
Go ahead.. Call me chicken..
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No, Hoot, I call you wise.
Not sure what pressure is generated with the explosion method, and I would wager a beer that none of these brave souls that use that method do, either.
Thanks for the hint on inserting beads. I was thinking something like that. I am sure I can find the correct tubing and a baster, empty mustard squirter, honey container, something. Shouldn't be too hard -- my wife is out of town :lol: :lol:
Not sure if the money I have saved is worth the effort I have put into it. But, should I ever try to do it again, I think it will be somewhat easier. It was easier to get the new tire on the rim than getting the old tire off, that's for sure.
Can't wait to see how it rides...
Quote from: lragan on November 07, 2009, 08:01:43 PM
Can't wait to see how it rides...
Start out with about 45 PSI.. You can ease off to about 40 PSI if you like a little later. The extra pressure makes the tire a little stiffer in the corners, and you will need that to start with...
If you haven't ridden a Car Tire before, it will feel squirrelly in the corners for a while. The back end swings out a little.. It will take a couple of weeks to get used to it for sure..
Venture to say, the back end has never slipped even a little, so just know that it feels different, takes a little more input to the handle bars and watch for height differences (re-asphalting) the edge of the tire can catch and give you a little wigglesworth..
I missed your ordeal Lawrence, busy lately, yes I do have RuGlyde here as Hoot mentioned. Another guy who installs tires on bikes, way over 200 + for others swears by RuGlyde.
Well, Terry, thanks for the kind words. A week on, it doesn't seem so bad. A learning experience, for sure. Now that I have done it once and own the proper tools, maybe it will be easier next time.
I finally got the bike back on the ground this afternoon, and, of course, took it for a ride. I had put in about 1 oz of dynabeads. I love the smooth ride. I have never ridden a bike at highway speeds as smooth as this one. Of course, I changed the front tire at the same time (had it mounted by Cycle Gear--mount and balance for $20, you must take them the wheel), so I can't be absolutely positive about which change caused this pleasant result, but color me happy with it. :grin: :grin:
I started with about 38 psi (I did not come inside to look up Hoot's recommendation, and couldn't remember what it was). I cornered very gently, as I have yet to sand the mold release off the front tire, and was not anxious to push my luck with either tire. More on that later.
So, in retrospect, perhaps it was all worth it:
1) lower cost
2) looks cool
3) smooth as a silk
and the mileage will make you smile!
Better mileage?
Gee, I would have thought that wind resistance was the biggest hindrance to mileage, not rolling friction. Maybe I am in for a pleasant surprise. I just filled up today, the first time since I redid the carbs, and got 45 mpg. If the car tire ups it any noticeable amount, I will be in the 50 mpg range. Not bad.
Quote from: lragan on November 12, 2009, 06:27:05 PM
Better mileage?
Gee, I would have thought that wind resistance was the biggest hindrance to mileage, not rolling friction. Maybe I am in for a pleasant surprise. I just filled up today, the first time since I redid the carbs, and got 45 mpg. If the car tire ups it any noticeable amount, I will be in the 50 mpg range. Not bad.
I recently cleaned my K&N, added a shim and put on a car tire..
I'm not sure which one, or a combination, but I used to get a solid 40MPG and now I get a solid 48MPG..
I really don't know why.. But I'm happy!!! :grin:
Yea, that's what I was talking about.....what I meant was the other mileage........ out of the tire.
OK, I get it now.
Just a little dense down here in Austin.
I would expect the tread to last longer, as there is more rubber on the road most of the time.
Just another factor of lower cost that I had not considered.
Quote from: lragan on November 12, 2009, 09:54:44 PM
OK, I get it now.
Just a little dense down here in Austin.
Florida too.
Quote from: lragan on November 12, 2009, 09:54:44 PM
OK, I get it now.
Just another factor of lower cost that I had not considered.
Mileage of the tire or MPG?
Give us your impression once you ride as you normally do. Hoot, myself and Robert has discussed this extensively via PM's.
Quote from: TLRam1 on November 13, 2009, 02:25:18 AM
Quote from: lragan on November 12, 2009, 09:54:44 PM
OK, I get it now.
Just a little dense down here in Austin.
Florida too.
Hey - IF Lawrence and I both misunderstood.. then it must have been the transmitter, not the receivers!!
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I'm having great milage out of my car tire. Looks like new!
I have right at 12K+ on it as of today.
Correction I have 6K+ on the tire
QuoteI also used a long hose and a clip type air chuck and hid behind a small wall..
Go ahead.. Call me chicken..
I did the same thing took 120PSI to get my tire to seat. I was a nervous wreck by the time the last seat popped
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Len...
Remind us what kind of tire you have..
Also - According to the picture, you have 12K and the tits have not worn down yet..
Did you do 12K on a jackstand??? :lol:
Quote from: hootmon on November 13, 2009, 09:52:33 PM
Len...
Remind us what kind of tire you have..
Also - According to the picture, you have 12K and the tits have not worn down yet..
Did you do 12K on a jackstand??? :lol:
(CORRECTION.....) my milage estimate is off. I have replaced the rear tire 3 times since I owned the magna.Its a Kuhmo 165/80R 15 87T
Its one of the tires "not" recommended on the darkside forum due to it rupturing while trying to seat on the rim. :shock:
I did not know this when I got it. Just got lucky I guess :lol:
No I have put the miles on it riding on the streets. I'm not a heavy curve hugger so the edges don't wear as much.
My milage is an estimate but close.
When Curtis sold me the bike he had 12500 miles on it and had replaced the tire around 9-10K
He put a dunlop k555 on rear. and a metzler on the front
I rode the bike for about 4K more on the rear and replaced it with another K555. (now had 16.5K)
I replaced the front tire at about 19-20K with a dunlop k555
I rode it for about 7K on the rear. (now had 23.5K)
Replaced the rear with another K555. (now had 29.5K)
Replaced it with my Kumho. Now have 35.3K on it. (So i have 6K on the tire)
Soon to need a new front again
Looks great Len.
Would you buy that tire again?
Quote from: TLRam1 on November 13, 2009, 10:33:45 PM
Looks great Len. Would you buy that tire again?
Yes, but im scared about blowing it up to get it to seat :shock:
Quote from: Len Averyt on November 13, 2009, 10:47:34 PM
Quote from: TLRam1 on November 13, 2009, 10:33:45 PM
Looks great Len. Would you buy that tire again?
Yes, but im scared about blowing it up to get it to seat :shock:
Any Idea what PSI it took to seat your tire..
I know for the one I had was 115 PSI :shock:
and it was the same for Lawrence (I think) when recently the same tire was installed.
Quoteany Idea what PSI it took to seat your tire..
I know for the one I had was 115 PSI :shock:
and it was the same for Lawrence (I think) when recently the same tire was installed.
It took 120PSI by the gauge on my compressor.
Quote from: lragan on November 06, 2009, 08:19:47 PM
OK, I bit the bullet on the 2nd '96, and bought a "Nanking" car tire that looks for all the world like the pics that Hoot posted.
Would it by any chance look like this one?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1-NEW-165-80-15-Nankang-CX-668-Tire-80R15-R15-80R_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem53dcb83b6fQQitemZ360185346927QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
I'm about to come over to the dark side myself....
Quote from: Jim8208 on November 13, 2009, 11:29:40 PM
Quote from: lragan on November 06, 2009, 08:19:47 PM
OK, I bit the bullet on the 2nd '96, and bought a "Nanking" car tire that looks for all the world like the pics that Hoot posted.
Would it by any chance look like this one?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1-NEW-165-80-15-Nankang-CX-668-Tire-80R15-R15-80R_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem53dcb83b6fQQitemZ360185346927QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
I'm about to come over to the dark side myself....
That is the tire I have..
Negatives are:
Sidewalls are a little softer than I would prefer (1 ply)
because of the straight ribs, it can catch on rain grooves and give you a little wiggle, most of the time not, but if they are just the right width/depth, it can happen.
Pluses -
Quiet
Cheap
sticky rubber
I have the same tire. Bought it from HighPerformanceTires.com. Cost $36 + $17.28 shipping = $53.28 delivered to my door.
Highly recommend tire irons, designed for dismounting/mounting tires from rims. Bought mine from Harbor Freight Tools. The two of 'em cost ~$7.50 total.
Good luck.
QuoteThat is the tire I have..
Negatives are:
Sidewalls are a little softer than I would prefer (1 ply) because of the straight ribs, it can catch on rain grooves and give you a little wiggle, most of the time not, but if they are just the right width/depth, it can happen.
Pluses -
Quiet
Cheap
sticky rubber
I like the fact that the side wall is softer. it makes leaning the bike easier, to me. Seams like more of the tire is in contact with the road.
Im especially a fan of the Cheap!, sticky and quiet are definatly pluses as well.
I was tired of dropping $150 every year for a new rear tire!
QuoteThat is the tire I have..
Negatives are:
Sidewalls are a little softer than I would prefer (1 ply) because of the straight ribs, it can catch on rain grooves and give you a little wiggle, most of the time not, but if they are just the right width/depth, it can happen.
Pluses -
Quiet
Cheap
sticky rubber
Do you feel the softer sidewalls could present a problem when cornering? I like the pluses :). Thanks Iragan for the tip on the tire irons.
Quote from: Jim8208 on November 14, 2009, 11:10:18 AM
Do you feel the softer sidewalls could present a problem when cornering?
No - not a cornering issue, it just allows the rear to swing a little father out when cornering.. It may also allow more rubber to stay on the road, not sure.. I think a stiffer sidewall tire wouldn't feel as mushy in the corners, but NO there is no problem with cornering.. I have drug my pegs on several occasions and have accelerated hard when taking off while turning (like making a left our of a gas station) and I have NEVER had the tire slip at all at any time. I can NOT say the same for M/C tires... I've had every M/T slip under those conditions, especially an older tire (harder rubber) and Bevel on the tread from the tire flattening out from straight riding.. (On my wife's 03 Sabre as well)
My C/T is performing the same today as the day it was new.. The rubber hasn't seemed to harden at all and the tread has worn evenly..
Quote from: hootmon on November 14, 2009, 07:22:44 PM
Quote from: Jim8208 on November 14, 2009, 11:10:18 AM
Do you feel the softer sidewalls could present a problem when cornering?
No - not a cornering issue, it just allows the rear to swing a little father out when cornering.. It may also allow more rubber to stay on the road, not sure.. I think a stiffer sidewall tire wouldn't feel as mushy in the corners, but NO there is no problem with cornering.. I have drug my pegs on several occasions and have accelerated hard when taking off while turning (like making a left our of a gas station) and I have NEVER had the tire slip at all at any time. I can NOT say the same for M/C tires... I've had every M/T slip under those conditions, especially an older tire (harder rubber) and Bevel on the tread from the tire flattening out from straight riding.. (On my wife's 03 Sabre as well)
My C/T is performing the same today as the day it was new.. The rubber hasn't seemed to harden at all and the tread has worn evenly..
That's just what I wanted to hear, I'm a convert. :lol: Thanks alot for the reply and the info.
I'm just waiting for my tire to go bald.... so I can darkside too..
I don't understand it. I've had the tires on my bike now for 4 years...they're cracked...and I've gone 23,000 miles on them.
I probably have about 60% tread left, and I still have some tits.
I guess I don't ride as hard as you guys do.
Both my tires are stock dunlop M/C tires too.
Quote from: Unlucky Dan on November 15, 2009, 07:24:34 PM
I don't understand it. I've had the tires on my bike now for 4 years...they're cracked...and I've gone 23,000 miles on them.
I probably have about 60% tread left, and I still have some tits.
A couple of things Dan...
First.. It's "got Jugs" NOW an update on your present
chest status...
(http://i43.tinypic.com/28k7tqq.jpg)
Second.. Your tires are probably hard as a rock.. M/C tires over time become hard and less sticky..
I know things are tight with you right now, but when you get a couple of nickels to rub together, you may want to think about going ahead and changing out your tires.. You won't believe the difference.. I recommend Metzlers over Duncraps... But that's just me..
The tire cracking also bothers me (and should probably bother you as well)...
Third - great signature picture.. Where is that??
I debated whether to replace the tires on my newest '96 -- it had been sitting in a garage with practically new tires for 8 years or so. When I noticed cracks in the sidewall of the front tire near the rim, I figured it was not worth the risk -- a blowout on the front tire could ruin your whole day!
The rear tire did not manifest cracks, but I was hankerin to try the car tire. I still have the Dunlop rear tire in the barn if anyone wants it.
Dan, check the date code of the sidewall of your tires. Here is a link to some tire code info, at the bottom of the page you will see what a tire code looks like.
http://www.ama-cycle.org/roadride/Riderresc/tires.asp
Quote from: hootmon on November 15, 2009, 08:31:36 PM
Quote from: Unlucky Dan on November 15, 2009, 07:24:34 PM
I don't understand it. I've had the tires on my bike now for 4 years...they're cracked...and I've gone 23,000 miles on them.
I probably have about 60% tread left, and I still have some tits.
A couple of things Dan...
First.. It's "got Jugs" NOW an update on your present chest status...
(http://i43.tinypic.com/28k7tqq.jpg)
Second.. Your tires are probably hard as a rock.. M/C tires over time become hard and less sticky..
I know things are tight with you right now, but when you get a couple of nickels to rub together, you may want to think about going ahead and changing out your tires.. You won't believe the difference.. I recommend Metzlers over Duncraps... But that's just me..
The tire cracking also bothers me (and should probably bother you as well)...
Third - great signature picture.. Where is that??
1st. You and your jokes lol. Everyone knew what I meant :P.
2nd. I agree but my riding days are over...living in the big apple, with no place for my motorcycle :(.
When I finally find a secure place I can store it up here that I can easily use from time to time (no storage sheds plz), I'll swap the tires to darkside. Hey Harry, I'll even give you a sweet deal...u fly up to NYC and help me put a darkside tire on my bike, and u can stay at my apt w/ ur wife for free for a number of days if u want to come visit the NYC area for whatever reason :P.
3rd. Skyline Drive in Shenandoah National Park...in the great state of Virginia. Rolling blue mountains, clouds that roll in on the mountain during the ride...its pretty freaky riding through a cloud on a SUNNY day, and about 120 miles of curves. When i was there, it was 35 degrees out, and no bikes! I got a retired couple to take that picture of me.
Future plans. When I get vacation time from my job (yeah, i'm salary now ;)), I plan on riding up to the Adirondacks in upstate NY, and tackling that mountain range.
Who's coming with me?
Quote from: silveradocowboy on November 15, 2009, 09:46:52 PM
Dan, check the date code of the sidewall of your tires. Here is a link to some tire code info, at the bottom of the page you will see what a tire code looks like.
http://www.ama-cycle.org/roadride/Riderresc/tires.asp
I wish I could Jeff. My motorcycle is about 250 some miles away from me...in winter storage in my parents garage. Battery tendered, sea foam, carbs drained...best treatment...
oh yeah, up on stand too :).
Btw, PM me your cell phone number...had some questions for you.
I'd also like to do a big circle burn out, and pop a wheelie before I switch to the dark side.
MAD MAX style
Hehehe maybe spring I will bring the wife and change that tire :lol: :lol:
Quote from: roboto65 on November 16, 2009, 08:11:14 PM
Hehehe maybe spring I will bring the wife and change that tire :lol: :lol:
Come on down! .....I mean up!
Bring those saddlebags/trunk too :P
I got a big apartment...its a triplex = 3 floors.
Before u go jumping down my skin, I got a sweet deal on it too..I don't live in the ghetto...and it would cost more money to store my motorcycle in a garage then i pay in rent!
:)
Quote from: Unlucky Dan on November 16, 2009, 10:10:01 PM
I got a big apartment...its a triplex = 3 floors.
Before u go jumping down my skin, I got a sweet deal on it too..I don't live in the ghetto...and it would cost more money to store my motorcycle in a garage then i pay in rent!
:)
So, can you ride that Magna up the stairs? :roll: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: lragan on November 17, 2009, 07:24:47 AM
So, can you ride that Magna up the stairs? :roll: :lol: :lol:
Come on Lawrence, you know Dan...
Don't give him any ideas that might hurt himself!!! :lol:
Quote from: lragan on November 17, 2009, 07:24:47 AM
Quote from: Unlucky Dan on November 16, 2009, 10:10:01 PM
I got a big apartment...its a triplex = 3 floors.
Before u go jumping down my skin, I got a sweet deal on it too..I don't live in the ghetto...and it would cost more money to store my motorcycle in a garage then i pay in rent!
:)
So, can you ride that Magna up the stairs? :roll: :lol: :lol:
I would if I could. Too heavy...unstable to push it up the stairs even with the help of the gas.
I'm looking into a 50-150cc scooter...any recommendations?
Quote from: Unlucky Dan on November 15, 2009, 07:24:34 PM
I don't understand it. I've had the tires on my bike now for 4 years...they're cracked...and I've gone 23,000 miles on them.
I probably have about 60% tread left, and I still have some tits.
I guess I don't ride as hard as you guys do. Both my tires are stock dunlop M/C tires too.
Road temperatures and ozone (pollution) can cause accelerated wear. here in Texas, pavement temperatures can reach near or exceed 190F and the extra ozone pollution oxidizes rubber a lot quicker at those temps.
When I bought my first '96 Magna, it had about 26000 miles on it. I replaced the rear tire twice in the first 18 months due to punctures. At 35,500 miles I replaced the front tire due to tread wear. I might have squeezed more out of it, but the tread depth indicator groove in the center of the tire was essentially gone. I now have about 5000 miles on this tire, and it has 3/32" depth on the center groove.
I replaced both tires on the '96 I just bought because the sidewalls were cracked due to age. The bike had been sitting in a garage for ~8 years, and the sidewalls had developed cracks, not immediately obvious, but painfully so when the tires were deflated a bit, near the wheel rims. The back tire was not as cracked as the front.
So I don't know how long tires should last. I have replaced two due to punctures, two due to age (with plenty of tread on them), and one due to wear.
Hoot,
Did your larger tire lower your RPM's?
Not sure if it's on the FAQ but what was your height of the tire you have compared to the Dunlop?
Can you measure the difference between depth of tread left and what you started with?
Quote from: TLRam1 on March 04, 2010, 03:03:07 AM
Hoot,
Did your larger tire lower your RPM's?
Not sure if it's on the FAQ but what was your height of the tire you have compared to the Dunlop?
Can you measure the difference between depth of tread left and what you started with?
There was no notable difference in RPM, Maybe 100 RPM at 60 MPH. My tire is a 165/80-15.
I don't know what the tread depth was new.. I think Lawrence put on the same tire and has not ridden his much since. So if you can get him to measure his and I will measure mine it should be close enough for your purposes..
I have 12K miles on my tire. The outside tread measures 3cm and the center bead reads about 2.75cm's - Inches is too rough a guess - I hope Lawrence has a cm stick.. I used a sewing ruler.
Normally the mfg site will list the tread depth.
My tire measures 6.5-7.0 mm tread depth both center and edge. I plan to put some miles on it soon, as it is finally warming up a bit.
What brand of tire did you guys get? I thought you would have new 9-10/32, that may be close to Lawrence's measurement, have to do some math.
Quote from: TLRam1 on March 04, 2010, 05:23:28 PM
What brand of tire did you guys get? I thought you would have new 9-10/32, that may be close to Lawrence's measurement, have to do some math.
Nankang cx668
Quote from: TLRam1 on March 04, 2010, 05:23:28 PM
What brand of tire did you guys get? I thought you would have new 9-10/32, that may be close to Lawrence's measurement, have to do some math.
9/32 =0.28125 inches * 25.4mm/inch = 7.14mm, so, yes, we are measuring the same tread depth, to within the probable measurement accuracy on both ends.
Quote from: lragan on March 04, 2010, 10:42:13 PM
Quote from: TLRam1 on March 04, 2010, 05:23:28 PM
What brand of tire did you guys get? I thought you would have new 9-10/32, that may be close to Lawrence's measurement, have to do some math.
9/32 =0.28125 inches * 25.4mm/inch = 7.14mm, so, yes, we are measuring the same tread depth, to within the probable measurement accuracy on both ends.
My measurements were in cm not mm
Quote from: hootmon on March 04, 2010, 11:16:37 PM
Quote from: lragan on March 04, 2010, 10:42:13 PM
Quote from: TLRam1 on March 04, 2010, 05:23:28 PM
What brand of tire did you guys get? I thought you would have new 9-10/32, that may be close to Lawrence's measurement, have to do some math.
9/32 =0.28125 inches * 25.4mm/inch = 7.14mm, so, yes, we are measuring the same tread depth, to within the probable measurement accuracy on both ends.
My measurements were in cm not mm
It's okay Hoot, I didn't expect anything more from you. :lol:
Now I need Lawrence to convert YOUR info so we all can understand. Looks like new is around 9/32, now what does Hoot have.
According to this website that tire is 9/32 new.
http://www.gearworksmfg.com/autotires/nankangtires.html
I know this seems impossible to most readers, but methinks perhaps the venerable Hootmon has made a mistake. 3 cm is more than an inch!! 2.54 cm = 1 inch.
With tread that deep, I would expect the tire to be a bit squirrely, especially in corners... :cool: :cool:
Maybe he measured the length of the valve stem?
Quote from: lragan on March 05, 2010, 08:25:40 AM
I know this seems impossible to most readers, but methinks perhaps the venerable Hootmon has made a mistake. 3 cm is more than an inch!! 2.54 cm = 1 inch.
With tread that deep, I would expect the tire to be a bit squirrely, especially in corners... :cool: :cool:
Maybe he measured the length of the valve stem?
Man, Are you on the ball ore what.. You are correct.. I'm using a CM stick, and my measurement is 3 of the little ticks (mm's?) of the 10 to make one CM so..
"The outside tread measures 3/10ths of a cm and the center bead reads about 2.75/10ths of a cm"..
Quote"The outside tread measures 3/10ths of a cm and the center bead reads about 2.75/10ths of a cm"
or 3 mm and 2.75 mm
or
.3 cm and .275 cm
;-)
The real point of the exchange, of course, was to estimate the tread life. It would appear that Hoot's tread is a little more than half gone. What is left is roughly 3/7 = .42 or 42% left -- to get all the way to smooth.
I am still not sure what this means as far as tire mileage, because I have reason to suspect that the wear is not linear. Does anyone know if the wear occurs at a constant rate with mileage? (Assuming, of course, all other factors, inflation, road surface, etc. are equal - which of course is not true...)
I noticed his measurements were off also, last I remember 1 CM = 10 mm, but it was late last night and I hit the bed.
At this rate Hoot your tire will wear down to 2/32's (wear markers) at around 16,091 miles.
9/32 X 42% = 3.78/32's left.
Used 12,000 miles / 5.22/32's = 2299 miles per 32 second
You have 7/32 of tread before you hit the wear indicator where you are suppose to change your tire.
7 X 2299 = 16,093 unless you push it pass the wear indicator or conditions change.
Lawrence, on some tires wear may not be linear. I will on a dual sport ride this weekend if you ask a question and I don't respond.....I'm gone.
Quote from: lragan on March 05, 2010, 10:36:30 AM
I am still not sure what this means as far as tire mileage, because I have reason to suspect that the wear is not linear.
Well this may not be a factor, but as the tire wears, it gets smaller.. Since it is smaller, the surface hits the road more often, so technically it should wear faster as it wears, but by how much not sure it is a real factor..
Kinda like Toilet Paper runs out faster the smaller the roll gets. When it's new there's like 4 sheets per revolution, but at the end there is two or less..
What else am I supposed to think about sitting there.. ???
QuoteWhat else am I supposed to think about sitting there.. ???
Certainly don't want to know where your sitting :shock:!!
I have been following this topic for awhile but this is my first post. I have a 2001 Magna that needs new tires and I have decided on a 165/80/15 CT for the rear. I see comments and experience with Nankang and Kuhmo but have not seen many comments on the Vredestein. Please share any experience with this tire. Thanks.
First of all Farmer2js
(http://i52.tinypic.com/20hq79c.jpg)
Terry (TLRam1) purchased a couple of the Vredestein and I think he passed one on to another member.. So someone will pop in with an opinion.. My opinion is that it is twice the price and I'm not sure it's worth the extra $$$, but a review would be great...
I've have close to 18K on my Nankang, and it's still going well..
There is also a BF Goodrich Radial T/A, but the issue with that is it has white lettering on one side only..
Thanks for the welcome and the reply. I'm in Ohio with shorter riding times and I'm expecting the CT to last me several years, so the additional cost is not a big concern. I like what I read about the Nankang except for the required air pressures noted to seat, and I'm thinking the Vredestein may seat easier. I've ruled out the BF Goodrich due to the white lettering.
I guess I'm up.
The Vredestein tire is more than the others but about the same as the OEM tire for the Magnas. Being my first car tire I wanted to get what I thought is a premium tire and give me the best shot I could of liking a car tire. If I went with an inexpensive tire I may have problems attributed because of the inexpensive tire and nothing to do because it was a car tire.
The Vredestein is suppose to be a premium tire similar to Michelin type tires as people seemed to compare them to. Many used these tires as race tires and some on ice. No comments on any of the above, that's just what I found out asking others in different counties who used these tires.
This tire has performed well as the other tires have, I have not pushed these to the limit ie; sliding around as I have a MC tire, I probably will when the tread gets lower, these have not lost grip and handled well except as noted as a trait of these car tires on the Magna being a little whooshy beginning a turn but once the slack is taken up you can lay it on down with confidence.
Even with the lower cost, when this one wears out I don't know that I would go with the lesser cost tire as I am comfortable with these, not saying I wouldn't either. When this one goes I will revisit the tires people have used and find my answer.
Magnum (Robert), has the one I didn't use.
Let me add.... seating the tire went about as the rest of the car tires did, left you wondering what's about to happen, somethings going to pop.
This is a pretty cool LINK (http://www.discounttire.com/dtcs/infoTireMath.dos).. It compares different size tires and tells you the difference and how it MAY affect your speedo..
Quote from: hootmon on July 17, 2011, 09:03:10 AM
This is a pretty cool LINK (http://www.discounttire.com/dtcs/infoTireMath.dos).. It compares different size tires and tells you the difference and how it MAY affect your speedo..
Except our speedometers are ran from the front tire, so for Magna's it makes no difference unless it would give you RPM differences, for autos it is helpful.
For my car I went from 16" to 17" wheels, that change brought my speedometer from being 2 miles under actual speed to about actual or showing 1/2 MPH less than actual.
Quote from: TLRam1 on July 17, 2011, 02:06:44 PM
Quote from: hootmon on July 17, 2011, 09:03:10 AM
This is a pretty cool LINK (http://www.discounttire.com/dtcs/infoTireMath.dos).. It compares different size tires and tells you the difference and how it MAY affect your speedo..
Except our speedometers are ran from the front tire, so for Magna's it makes no difference unless it would give you RPM differences, for autos it is helpful.
For my car I went from 16" to 17" wheels, that change brought my speedometer from being 2 miles under actual speed to about actual or showing 1/2 MPH less than actual.
I knew that but it also give you dimensional differences and "Revs per mile:" So the difference between a 155 & 165 is about 20 additional revolutions on the 155/mile.
Take that times 10,000 miles. That's an additional 200K times around for a 155 for the same distance.. More wear on bearings, chain, sprockets and some difference on engine revolutions and speed out of the hole, etc..
So if you want a faster off the line bike (may be insignificant) you want the 155, but for highway you want the 165..
Where is Lawrence when you need him... My brain is beginning to hurt!! (http://i40.tinypic.com/53mwzm.jpg)